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First off i'd like to apologize, if i missed any posts, due to the quickness of how the forum was moving along, as well as to my slowness.. And also, i'd like to apologize if i didn't get all the correct names to posts. Please let me know if that has occured.

Slaves begging permission to enter and read the board

Various topics depicting the online Gorean atmosphere

Slaves begging permission to enter and read the board

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...Well, folks... Lets get the show on the road, so to speak....LOL... I would like to welcome everybody to another GS forum..... same rules as always...... anybody have a topic they want to bring up ????

calia{GS}~~~ her attention turns back to Master Rollo ~* wigglin on upturned heels , awaiting...~*

Kayla~~~ ~sitting back to listen~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay.... the first thing brought up to Me is the * Entering to just go through and read the boards *.... This has always happened, and will still, I am sure... but the point needs made once again, that for a slave to do so, they STILL need to beg to enter and then ask to be allowed to go read the boards....... Folks, if y'all can't just bookmark the message board, and go straight to it, at least do it right if going through the tavern...OKAY ??????

Lemuel~~~ ~listening to the Senior Captain and nodding~

Kyoto~~~ No argument there, Captain.

aisling{Torin}~~~ *leaning near to her Master cuddling up as she kneels and listening to Master Rollo*

Shadowglade~~~ *nodding at His words in understanding and a wink to Kayla*

Gornt~~~ I don't see the need for the discussion, the rules are clear


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Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Speaking up.* Well how about We discuss what has been happening in the tavern...and lets see what most people feel about this..*in reference to Rollo's post on the boards.*

Lemuel~~~ ~hearing the topic and turning my attention to the dais~

Shadowglade~~~ *stroking the girls hair as I listen for the first topic*

Gornt~~~ ~feeling her snuggling down onto My lap, I turn My attention to Rollo~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~settles in closely to Master Kyoto as jaci listens to Master Captain~

lara{HoS}~~~ she turns her attention to Master Rollo and listens..

arianna{HK}~~~ ~**nods and listens**~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. I KNEW that My bad temper was going to come back and bite My right in the ass....LOL..LOL... Does everybody want to discuss some of those points ?????

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *LOL* I didn't think it was a bad temper Rollo...it needed to be said...I think that when kajira think that they are no longer wanted in a Paga Tavern..then that is a problem...I know that a few wanted to speak about this topic tonight...So I figure E/everyone should just let out whatever problems they feel need to be addressed...

Torin~~~ *chuckling at Rollo*

Mandi~~~ Captain, there seemed to be directed toward the Free Women in general, and perhaps one Free Woman in particular criticism in Our roleplay. Was this based on a particular incident, and would you clarify Your comments directed to the Free Women in particular?

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the fellow Builder's words~ I know that some of that topic was discussed last night in the travelling forum.

Gornt~~~ ~listening to CD, wondering how any could feel unwanted~

Kayla~~~ I am concerned over the seemingly mutiny of the slaves of late... seems like many are unhappy... or more happy elsewhere and are bad mouthing the Free of Our Home. I am concerned 2 fold
one: that a few are making a mountain out of a molehill and
two: that there are some real concerns that We as Free should address...

Kyoto~~~ What caught my attention was what you said about the freewomen. I've noticed that alot take for granted that they are immune to punishment. There have been times when I have considered putting an FW at the pole for a time to let her know her place a bit better. I would not whip one, mind you, simply bind her there for a time. Such a punishment is not unheard of in the books if I am not mistaken...

Errand Knight~~~ *listens with interest at Kaylas words*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay... this forum is for Us of GS..and is about what is going on here, so this is most likely the BEST place to get all this out in the open..... EVERYBODY is allowed to speak their minds here, so lets have it folks... like I said, if we don't know that something is broken or wrong, we sure as hell can't try to FIX it..... Fire away......

arianna{HK}~~~ *raises a delicate brow at the comment of slaves bad mouthing the Free and Their home, knowing she has not heard any bad mouthing*

Asellus~~~ *Tilting Her head to the side, listening intently*

penny{Kyo}~~~ *bouncing in to catch Mistress Kayla's words*
Mistress, penny doesn't mean to mutiny, but has been out of the loop because of RT emotional ickies...
she does think that both slaves and Free need to get their acts together.... penny would like to see the Free take more of an interest in the slaves as human biengs, and that would mean that the slaves need to do more than sit and look dumb and pretty... slaves have intelligence, believe it or not, Free...
(not directed toward You, Mistress Kayla, but all Free in general)

galah{RA}~~~ this one feels that this is an ongoing problem that seems to go in stages....as long as this one has been on Gor, she has seen the discontent of slaves that feel that they are ignored or unwanted, this one herself has felt that feeling more times than she cares to admit

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Looking to Kyoto.* Well You do have a point..I think that perhaps a few FW forget their place in the tavern...and as for yelling at a kajira because she does something that isn't in the books is really none of Her damn business...Sometimes unique things like that catch people's eyes..

Kyoto~~~ Kayla, the slaves are intelligent, if they have a concern about a particular free person, perhaps it might be justified. Maybe they need a sounding board, someone to discuss their grievances with.

calia{GS}~~~ calia nodding hearing Master Kyoto's words ~* one has had some confusion in this area as well ...

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay....in all fairness, or to get the semantics closer to the truth, lets agree that we are taking about SOME FW... or a few FW...not ALL FW.... agreed ????

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the Catain's words~

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ OF Course Rollo..not All FW are guilty...*S*

Torin~~~ *shifting aisling to my front, laying flat hands on the girl's tummy, easing back and tucking aisling back as well, listening and happy to see Rollo encourage free speech for now*

jacia{GS}~~~ agreeing with Master Rollo

Gornt~~~ ~nodding My head in agreement with Kyoto~ not necessarily a grievance procedure, but a Someone that can adjudicate disputes

Kyoto~~~ Definitely, not all FW. I apologize if my words sounded as if that is what I meant. Many of the FW here are excellent role players, very into their Gorean selves. There are a few though that do step out of bounds.

Asellus~~~ *Smiling beneath Her veils...wheels in Her head turning*

Mandi~~~ It may be simply unfortunate timing of events, but it has appeared that, as More of the Free Women practice trades in the Tavern, the slaves become more discontent, yet it would seem that this would bring additional colour to the backdrop in here, and things could proceed pretty much as normal.

Torin~~~ *looking to Durst* Disagree. A Free woman may voice her opinion on anything she damn well pleases. And, if disrespectful, then as Kyoto suggests, chain her to let her think on her disrespect.

Errand Knight~~~ yes is aware of concerns about some FW though sees it is a different of view ...knows His slave is reluctant to come into GS unless He is present

Kyoto~~~ I would also like to mention that I am always open to listen if any slave has a problem. I would also help any way I can so that we can keep our slaves here. And I'd keep it confidential, of course.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Lets also acknowledge that to a degree, it is at times, the * nature of the beast *.... meaning that FW, and slaves alike, are BOTH still women... and it is the nature of women to seek to be the * center of attention * of men... slaves do so by their actions and serves....FW, ( some at least ) use their position to * get a slave * out of the way, to become this center... NOT always, but at times.....

galah{RA}~~~ this one has heard so many times: personal owned slaves feel as if no One else wishes for them to serve, the tavern slaves feel as though they have NO Master, when in reality they have many, but those Many are too busy with tavern business or their own personal slaves to give the tavern slaves the needed attention and care a slave needs to keep her belly burning to serve

Kayla~~~ Kyoto... did My words seem an attack?.. they were not meant to be to any slave.. I never have even thought that the girls or any girl was stupid... I am only bringing the problem to light from My point of veiw... I meant nothing personal to Any free or slave and will not in anything I say this night direct it to any one person...

penny{Kyo}~~~ Mistress Mandi, penny likes to see the FW practice trades... penny likes to see ANYONE practice anything that isn't the same boring, tired thing day after day... *g* there is no reason that slaves can't assist FW in the plying of their trades... the slaves in the books did all sorts of things with a huge chunk of their day...

jacia{GS}~~~ understands fully where galah is coming from

Lemuel~~~ ~listening and nodding at galah's words~

Mandi~~~ And those tensions between the genders and between Free Women and slaves will always exist, or the whole roleplay will flatline in here. So, how do we coexist? Or do the Free Women go to a private room instead of staying in the Tavern?

calia{GS}~~~ ~ smiling to galah ~*

Asellus~~~ *Cannot help but emit a light-hearted chuckle* Well, zoya...I know you enjoyed dancing to My music last 2 evenings ago....I like trying to incorporate a girl into what I do in My caste. Even Mandi has done so by involving hope, Kasba's girl. I cannot see how practicing Our caste work should be any problem....Once I remember hearing critcism for FW merely coming into the tavern to drink and do nothing else....

aisling{Torin}~~~ *leaning back to her Master and listening*

Rollo the Ax~~~ It is a case of the age old problem.. * Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts ABSOLUTELY !!!! * Some ppl allow this to happen..

penny{Kyo}~~~ mistress galah, penny agrees with you there... that many of the Free do not diversify their time, and use what time they have in the tavern with playing sexually with their own slaves, or in dragging off uncollared girls to private... no fun at all for the slave who has begged to dance, or to serve, or to do any number of things to draw out the Free into room participation...

Lemuel~~~ ~hearing Rollo and nodding agreement~

galah{RA}~~~ now that there is a bdsm room in poolside, i think many of our slaves will go there as an option, after all, many of these girls was subs long before they was slaves

Gornt~~~ that would be regretable galah

Mandi~~~ I for one, have found a way to make My trade less tedious to Most, and will adopt a new style of presenting clothing; instead of about three posts of prose, there will be a poem concerning the garment and its Wearer. This should clear up a little bandwidth for Everyone else.

Mandi~~~ Aye, galah, it is indeed sad to see the Dungeon full of slaves and the Tavern empty, but it is free choice.

Errand Knight~~~ DM gives them the option of scening in public which many slaves desire ...DM encourages it; the tavern does not

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling at the Lady Mandi~ I did not find your presentation of the shirts you made for C.D. at all tedious Lady. I rather enjoyed it actually.

penny{Kyo}~~~ mistress galah, penny has traipsed into the BDSM room, but for conversation that she has tried and tried in vain to stir up in the tavern...
penny is tired of talking to herself in the tavern, and having Free sit speechless and dumb, as if they don't hear... penny doesn't know if it is that the Free do not know how to talk about the things that penny tries to bring up, or if they are shy... perhaps they are just sitting, waiting for whatever it is they seek to come in the door...
but it is driving penny crazy to talk in the tavern and talk and talk and be ignored... *g* she doesn't get ignored easily...

Gornt~~~ I am not here as often as I would like, but I feel the kajira all want to serve withinm their restrictions to the best of their abilities

arianna{HK}~~~ ~**wondering what is wrong with Mistress Mandi's posts that she thinks any would find them tedius**~

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Knight, that is funny... penny has yet to see anyone publicly scene down in the dungeon... it still gets dragged to private, even there...

shifra{MKn}~~~ nods in agreement to Master Errand Knight then winks mischievously at Him

Shadowglade~~~ On the Contrary EK, the Tavern does not encourage or discourage open scening either way...*shrugs* it has been discussed here before, and the Captains have made it known that it is NOT discouraged....

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci sees LOTS of public sceneing in the other room

Claire~~~ smilling at pennys' words

arianna{HK}~~~ *nods in agreement with jaci* aiii sis ari saw LOTS the other night there also.

Mandi~~~ ~~smiling over to penny~~ and there are times when I feel that there are kajira who know a lot about a lot and are willing to share their knowledge while staying in character, and appreciate them very much. you are one of those, penny.
others seem to be having an off night at times, barely able to go through the motions and have trouble conversing, and I try to not burden them. Additionally, I try to be cautious to defer to Men Who may be in need of service.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Let Me speak to a couple of the issues brought up... FW doing their * jobs * or caste business is not any problem that I see .... And I also think that FW are within their rights to speak their minds....openly..... BUT not to the point that they seem to try and PUSH their ideas above anybody elses, or the Councils... FW are not perfect, hell NOBODY is... but the actions of one or two * bad apples * should NOT bring the wrath of everybody down on ALL of them.....

calia{GS}~~~ ~* thinking this slave is in trouble if open sceneing is discouraged ~* ...biting back her mischevious smiles

Gornt~~~ I have been on sites where scening is expressly forbidden and where it is encouraged. I find the ones where it is encouraged are more well attended by slaves and Free alike

aisling{Torin}~~~ *aisling speaking up softly* aisling thinks that perhaps the DM room which she's visited is not only allowing for more interactive conversation but allowing for more appreciated creativity like GS used to be when the girl first arrived so long ago

Torin~~~ Beg to differ my friend Shadow. Captains have whispered to that open scening in the tavern is frowned upon.

Kyoto~~~ *Chuckling as I hear penny*
No, you are not easily ignored.

galah{RA}~~~ this one agrees soooooooo much with you penny....this one jokes around much, and depending whom is here, sometimes it's fun and she makes ppl laugh, that makes her slavebelly feel as though she is serving well, but just as many times, a girl types and types and all her postings are one after another cause those in the room are either speaking in whispers, or multi-tasking and not even here, or just chose to ignore me.....galah leaves the tavern sooooooo sad

Errand Knight~~~ penny: Many there still choose private, but those who are exhibitionist at heart or who enjoy public play know they are encouraged ...and there would be upward of 10 public scenes there each day ...the point is not about scening because it is only part of our lifestyle ..it is a point of encouragement and openness viv a vis doscouragement

jacia{GS}~~~ *agreeing with Master Rollo* as in all walks and thigns of life jaci has seen....the few bad ones always make it so darn hard for all the good ones

Mandi~~~ Apparently, We shall not name names as to Who the Bad Apples are, and can only guess. I should hope that the Individual in question is addressed directly.
If I am ever the problem in a situation, it is My hope that I would be approached about it, either in the Tavern, or through any hailing mode.

jacia{GS}~~~ ~doesn't think Mistress Mandi has anything to worry bout :)~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Open scening ??? Is Gorean, and is allowed in the tavern...if it offends any FW, She was the right to either leave or TRY mentioning that it does so to the Master involved.... then it is up to HIM if he takes it elsewhere or keeps going... Perhaps when we get the Piazza down, it will be different.... Open scening in GS, and NOT in the Piazza ????

shifra{MKn}~~~ it would not be Gorean if a Master could not take a girl where and when He wished

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the Senior Captians' words~

calia{GS}~~~ *~smiling to Mistress Mandi with gentle caring eyes ~*

galah{RA}~~~ if i talk 5 or 6 postings with no one speaking in between, then i will ask to leave....and after such a bad experience, its along time before i can bring myself back to attempt to serve again...i just think to myself, why bother?

Mandi~~~ Actually, the open scening, done well, can make the tavern more lively and festive.

Claire~~~ Aye Mandi that tis true

penny{Kyo}~~~ mistress sis, penny has just felt for a while that it isn't worth the bother... but she has found that her love of Gor won't let her stay away, and so she is making a comeback with a vengeance... *g* she will not let the tavern fall into lassitude and discontent... she is going to try to get in here every day and be cheerfully productive and diverse, and darn it, she'll make everyone have a good time... *stamping a little foot for emphasis and grinning*
now... if everyone tries their hardest, and stops complaining, all will be well... *bright smiles* rather than complain any more, since we've all been doing that, we all need to get into gear and work hard now...
everyone.... Free and slaves alike...

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to galah and nodding* and sometimes when a girl is serving and there is no post at all during it she looses the desire to make it special why does it matter if no One is noticing *sighing*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding understanding to galah~ I do not think the slaves are the only ones with that problem, galah. There have been times I have tried to strike up a conversation only to have it go nowhere.

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci agrees with you aisling that is how she is too :(

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to penny and giggling* now that could be a new dance sis the penny stomp

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to aisling~ I have seen this too and think it is a shame that some Free cannot spare even a few words for a girl during her serve

arianna{HK}~~~ aiii aisling, ari finds that too

Rollo the Ax~~~ Open scene or private, is not one of the major problems, I think... it is a cascade of MANY little or small issues that like any avalanche, starts small and builds momentum.... until it destroys all in its path.....

Kyoto~~~ galah, as I have had pointed out to me... *patting pen's head*, the slaves here are not just here to be pretty. If I see a slave doing nothing, I'll ask her to dance or maybe even just give me a back rub... I love to have the kajira here, the more the merrier...

zoya{GS}~~~ as from the slave's view, zoya has heard from a few that they are feeling that if they leave the Free will wake up and say hey where did all the slaves go, but zoya doesn't see this as a solution but yet creating an even bigger problem...zoya for one will not take this course of action, she'd much rather stay and help improve on things than running away

Mandi~~~ It is great fun in here when Free and slave roleplay off each other successfully, and I am always rooting for it. How should the Free Women observe and appreciate serves, calia?

galah{RA}~~~ this one agrees penny....it is going to take a big effort on everyones part...and i also am willing to TRY again....couldn't tell you how many times i have tried to come back only to find more of the same...we all gotta bite the bullet and makes GS all it can be

calia{GS}~~~ ~*agreeing with aisling....~* only to find One perhaps displeased in the end ....
slave burns for those gazes , praises and eyes while she is serving...

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling at the Captains words~

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to her Master and gently biting her lip and then speaking as she turns to Master Rollo* Master Rollo the problem is when the avalanche comes it generally takes out the bottom and well the bottom of any Gorean Room is and are the slaves.. and well what happens when the core strength of those slaves are gone.. then what? *sighing softly*

Asellus~~~ *nodding all around Herself* Yes. Such interactions require time in r/t. Perhaps it is the serves can be lengthy and One cannot wait it out...perhaps a reason for hasty departures. I can relate on a level, I suppose, for some have left during My music playing. Maybe it was boring. *shrugging indifferently* But only I can feel the rush I get from performing, so what do I care if a few leave? I've gotten used to the revolving door of the tavern, truth be known. I've even used it Myself.

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci thinks that in order for GS to be successful and she knows we each love it here in our own special ways..there are thigns that are in different cases to many that keep them coming back

aisling{Torin}~~~ *smiling at ari, jaci and calia with sweet love for her beautiful sisters*

jacia{GS}~~~ ~blowing kissies to pretty aisling~

penny{Kyo}~~~ thank you, zoya, penny' s point exactly... hiding from a problem does nothing to improve it... working to improve the situation will make it better...
rather than all the backbiting grousing that occurs, why doesn't a discontent slave say in the room at the time that what is going on needs livening up a bit, and beg to do something to improve the situation? rather than just sulk and slink away...

jacia{GS}~~~ and b/c of these things that keep them coming back maybe each and everyone of us could take those things we love so much and apply them here to make GS the strong Gorean Home we all know it to be! :)

galah{RA}~~~ You is a good FW Mistress Mandi, you always think galah is funny heheheheheheheee its important that all the FW don't feel at fault here

Mandi~~~ and I appreciate galah's contribution to the verisimilitude in GS. *w*

calia{GS}~~~ mere appreciation and kind words toward slave makes her puff with confidence , and works even harder...~* calia loves good role play ...as she was ~most~ fortunate to be here when You delivered Master Dursts shirt's *gigglin playfully*

Kyoto~~~ *Grinning to all*
I'm glad my trouble maker is back... she'll liven things up.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, again some plain talk from Me.... Y'all have most likely noted that I don't often have the kajira serve Me drinks and such... VERY often, I am flat out busy trying to deal with several ppl whispering to Me about this or that problem.... and Rollo is a slow old bastard... For My OWN feelings, or My own way of looking at things, I would not ask for a serve, and then ignore ANY kajira.... If I can watch, and enjoy..or at least give the girl the minimum attention * I * think she deserves, THEY should I have her work her ass off to just be ignored ????? that is plain BULLSHIT !!!!!

Phen~~~ Well heres My thoughts on what i am trying to get a jist of and have spoken as well to others about it ...you girls have such imaginations why not use them....*Looking to the Captain* Is it true a girl just can't offer meat to patrons because of the cost...*Like cut some off the spit and walk around asking if a Master would like a tasty piece of morsel?.....

penny{Kyo}~~~ listening for a moment to the other slaves...
hmmmm... girls... perhaps if the slaves were more interesting to watch, there would be more attention from the Free... don't we think that They must get bored seeing the same flowery, tired drivel day after day? who bothers to read it any more?
try something different... be unique... be fun to watch... *g* do the unexpected... then perhaps the Free will be more likely to give you what you seek, if you are seeking attention...
acknowledgement for hard work is nice, but not really why we're here... it's all about the interaction, and playing a role... so play the role of a kajira, well versed in many areas of entertainment... show some self confidence, girls... *smiles* enjoy yourselves, and the enthusiasm will be contageous...

zoya{GS}~~~ ~*~giggles smiling glad sis penny is back too~*~

galah{RA}~~~ ooooooohhh but penny, galah has tried soooooo many things, and sooooooooo many times to liven it up some, only to see her own postings the only talking going on....slaves are to be graceful but galah will stumble, fall, or do all sorts of silly antics, only to be totally ignored...so what's left but to leave then?

Gornt~~~ I agree with Rollo, I remember kajiralia and trying to make a decent serve, it is hard work

Asellus~~~ I don't think farcical comedy is the only way to get a Free's attention, galah....

arianna{HK}~~~ *smiles @ Master Rollo* You Master Rollo ALWAYS comment on a slaves serve and make her feel welcome...and You even give candy!!! *grinning* which definately makes a girl feel like she has been appreciated

shifra{MKn}~~~ *chuckles softly*..last time shif tried to liven up her old home she ended up stripped and tied to a post

jacia{GS}~~~ *loves it when she gets CHOCOLATE*grins at a certain kind Mistress

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to all and whispering again* and aisling can image that it is hard for Masters and Mistresses to think of clever responses beyond "watching the sway of hips" but well practice makes perfect *smiling softly*

Gornt~~~ it is about making people feel good penny ,making T/tem feel needed and wanted, whether Free or slave

jacia{GS}~~~ agrees with aisling

penny{Kyo}~~~ mistress sis, penny has been there, done that, too... she gets frustrated, and has left after throwing outright tantrums in a room full of Free to make it known that what was going on was just plain silly and uncalled for...
but we all have to keep trying, hard as it may be... and it takes a lot for me to say that... penny would rather just throw up her hands and say hell with it... but she isn't going to, because she loves Gor, and has an ideal of what CAN happen, if everyone makes an effort...

Mandi~~~ ~~thinking of many times that galah has taken a gaffe made by Me during a serve and acted it out to the extreme rather than contradict a Free~~

Kyoto~~~ But I like watching the sway of a girls hips, aisling...

calia{GS}~~~ thinking one needs to feel appreciated , and pleasing as her live depends on it ~* ....
wiggling as she smiles at ari ~* calia loves candy too *winkin*

aisling{Torin}~~~ *giggling at Master Kyoto* mmmm.. yes aisling knows that Master *winking playfully* and all the swings between that and her pretty little head *leaning back to her Master and giggling more*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Also folks..... so far, everybody has been pointing out the problems that FW cause.... Well, the MASTERS cause just as much, if not ten fold..... If a men allows himself to be lead away from a kajira by a FW, or tries juggeling 2,3, or MORE women at the same time, the guy is a SCHMUCK.... also often some Masters seem to see only one slave or another and not the whole picture ...( Make note I said whole picture, not hole....LOL...LOL..

arianna{HK}~~~ penny some girls like to write pretty and flowery serves, that is why some of us came here in the first place, to be more expressive and more creative. ari tries to be very creative in her serves she tries to make them fun for both herself and the Master she is trying to please. However, more often than not, ari is not required to serve why because she is privately owned and not the newest little toy coming through the door. sometimes she enters and just sits and watches as older slaves are ignored and newer ones are given all the attention. there is only so much cleaning of the tavern a girl can do *shrugs* it makes it hard

penny{Kyo}~~~ shifra, penny has spent more than enough time at the post herself...
*grinning* penny is a naughty girl, indeed.... but what do we have to lose by trying? and we have so much to gain if we succeed..

galah{RA}~~~ well not at all Mistress Asellus, galah can also be very serious....but when NO One is talking...in an effort to liven GS up, a girl will do most anything...after all, isn't it suppose to be enjoyable for all of us? we all pay our money to be online, if one wants stress and work, misery and such, theres enough of that in RT already

jacia{GS}~~~ ~smiling @ ari~ jaci is the same way...being a or attempting to be a writer in RT being able to come here and write creative serves gets her mind ticking...and allows her the ability to practice her writing skills.. *VBS*

zoya{GS}~~~ aye Master Gornt, we girls practice long and hard to perfect our serves, to constantly find ways to make them different and interesting, it's no simple task, all we ask is to be read and commented on accordingly, even if not found pleasing...sometimes a girl feels as if she could type bla bla bla bla and none would even notice ~*~grins~*~ but she don't, she's always striving and just bites her tongue really hard in rt or sits on her fingers so they don't get her in trouble

arianna{HK}~~~ ~smiles at jaci~

penny{Kyo}~~~ ari, penny didn't mean to be critical of anyone's serves... just that she would like to see each slave display their own unique style, and often, they all end up looking the same....
she wasn't attacking anyone in particular... *hugs* so please don't take offense...

Torin~~~ *chuckling at shifra*
Disagree penny. I don't think that I have seen two identical serves from any slave. It's not a matter of the slave's service being boring, it's a matter of lack of consideration by many Free.

Errand Knight~~~ *thinks the Captain is a randy Ol Bugger and may need a potion...chuckling to Himself appreciating Rollo's humour*

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to ari and nodding in agreement*

Asellus~~~ arianna, to be quite honest with you, I prefer a serve by one of the so-called "old slaves" of the tavern. *S* I like reading the "flowery" serves just as much as you like writing them. I make it my own personal challenge to respond and watch as much of a serve as I can (unless otherwise engaged with conversation with Free, but even then do I observe) with as much creativity as I seen given by the slave. *smiling brightly, remembering jasma's bazi tea serve a couple evenings ago*

jacia{GS}~~~ if the One jaci is serving doesn't say anything...that makes her all the more stubborn and diligent to make the next post of her serve THAT much better!!

arianna{HK}~~~ *hugs* no offence taken penny, was just trying to point out why some of the serves are flowery

Gornt~~~ sitting on one's fingers can get one in trouble as well zoya

galah{RA}~~~ many are speaking of candy....and once in a great while, that can be a great treat and incentive, but even that had to be stopped awhile back, for EVERY FREE was offering candy until we all had stacks beneath the furs, it was no longer a treat!!!

Mandi~~~ Aye, Rollo. And I suppose the Women and slaves must accept the biological differences between the Men and the Women. That while the Women's and slaves' fingers can dance on the keys, the Men are struggling with keyboards way to small for their hands and are not going to be able to meet the FW and slaves post for post and line for line.

calia{GS}~~~ calia loves to write and be creative or alluring in her posts ~* make them different and special for the One she serves...~* agreeing with ari on the cleaning ~ lil wrinkle to slaves nose as she smiles~....

jacia{GS}~~~ ~whispers to galah~ oh so that is how the mice got in here *giggling*

Asellus~~~ And, galah, I didn't mean that slaves should be "ho-hum" either....you're the slave and you know the fine line...*shrugging* I'm not about to offer any suggestions on what to do, of course. *L*

aisling{Torin}~~~ *looking to her Master and softly speaking* but Master in some cases serves have become the same because we are being limited on some of the things we can not or should not do because it does not follow the book.. there are only so many ways to stand upon tip toes and feel silks rise over ones ass.. and if we get too off base with our individual creativity it is frowned upon by some

arianna{HK}~~~ *smiles* Mistress Asellus, You are a pleasure to serve. You take an interest in our serves, and speak to us etc. it's fun serving People like You

Phen~~~ Well seems this is an opportunity too for Me to say something now that I intended to place on the Message Board I have had trouble in Rt with having a new born and health recently...I try not to get a girl to serve me if I cannot give her My attention but lately I have had to leave unexpectedly due to this.....Oh and I know I am not the easiest FW to get on with but thats what I believe Gor is as well and that's how Phen will roleplay it....

penny{Kyo}~~~ perhaps, Master Torin... penny just wants to explore all possibilities and point no fingers directly at any one group... it isn't fair to dump all the blame on one group specifically...
yes, penny does think that the Free could learn to roleplay a bit more than a grunt of "paga, slave"...
in the books, penny remembers all the lengthy discourse about local politics, about slaves, about kaissa... *laughing* and more about kaissa...

Rollo the Ax~~~ Phen, the girls can give away ALL the free food and such they want ..... lets get real here, it is VT, costless stuff..... BUT those they offer it to have to at LEAST notice.... hell girls can dance, sing, or run through the place buck nekked walking on their hands.. it STILL has to be seen and APPRECIATED by the Free to to any good, and to make the girl FEEL GOOD ....... free food or drink is nothing.... so what if a Master forgets to pay for a drink ??? Y'all want Me or Sabre to hunt Him down and take his head ????? LOL..

Gornt~~~ creativity is a wonderful thing and should be encouraged, but it should have limits of the Gorean venue

Torin~~~ *busting up at Rollo's compulsion to clarify which hole*

galah{RA}~~~ there are many things that could be given to a slave? bina beads or a nice ribbon to tie her hair...but then One must not immediately give that to all girls, or then again, it becomes mundane and the same, then means nothing

zoya{GS}~~~ ~*~nods to jacia~*~
zoya didn't know she had a creative writing bone in her body till she found gor

Kyoto~~~ Aye galah, that is why I like to kiss a slave, or stroke her cheek or even muss her hair... whatever strikes my fancy.

calia{GS}~~~ *~licking her lips thinking of chocolat as she wiggles~* aye Master Gornt....

Gornt~~~ ~Laughing with Rollo~

arianna{HK}~~~ Mistress Phen, we can (or ari knows she can) understand if You are taken away suddenly, You have a new born, it's natural that You will have RT issues to deal with unexpecedly, it's not because You don't care or are not interested in our serves, we all know that You are. *smiles* and who says You are not easy to get along with??? *laffin* ari has always liked You!

penny{Kyo}~~~ *grinning at mistress sis's words*
penny was given a strand of bina by Mistress Mandi, and loooves them... but had to beg permission from her Master to get to wear them, and makes a point of commenting on them when she is permitted by Master to wear them... she's come in wearing naught but the bina for dramatic effect... *g*
so there are instances where rewards are diverse...

Gornt~~~ The one question I have is how does One go about complimenting an owned slave or rewarding her, without running the risk of offending her Master / Mistress

arianna{HK}~~~ *giggling* well Master Rollo it would definately make some stop at look if You were to chase down an errant Master for not paying for paga!

Asellus~~~ *smiling at arianna* I cannot help but look at what I do in the tavern when I hear of such great discontent from the slaves, but then I wonder if they appreciate when a good job is recognized. Seems like they dwell on the "bad seeds" or when they don't get praised.....

Errand Knight~~~ an errand Master? free paga?

Phen~~~ Thank You Rollo for that as that is what I had thought but I was told differently so it is great that it has came out and the girls now have more opportunity to take this on board...

talender{EK}~~~ ~listens quietly giggling at Master Rollo's flare with words~

Kyoto~~~ Aye Rollo, especially if you are carrying your axe...

Torin~~~ Yes my girl, as the girl is aware, I believe that creativity is stifled here by the incessant demands that if not in the book, it isn't gor.<

arianna{HK}~~~ *nods as she listens to the words of Mistress Asellus* aiii Mistress ari can understand that does happen, ari always appreciates when her efforts in her serves, dances or songs go noticed.

jacia{GS}~~~ *giggles @ Master Kyoto*

calia{GS}~~~ whispering towards Mistress Asellus as slave leans a bit closer...~* this one was in the tavern when mistress jaz served bazi tea to you ...it was beautiful Mistress...both of you ....

penny{Kyo}~~~ Mistress Phen, FW in the books hated slaves... and with good reason... *g* no need to apologize if a FW plays the role of a FW... if that makes sense... there is underlying tension there, and who ever said that Gor was about playing nice?
rather than all the behind the back dialogue that penny has seen happen, it should be openly played out in the room... that's what it is all about... keeping in character, not about hurting feelings behind backs...
penny hated one particular slave, and chased her unmercifully with a broom with the intent to beat the stuffing out of her, but was stopped by Master... *g* again, it was kept in character, and dealt with openly, rather than in whispers to everyone but the one who needed to hear whatever...

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci enjoys serving You Mistress Asellus and was very honored that You played Your flute for her while she danced :)

Asellus~~~ *nodding to calia* I found it to be a pleasure to be ordered something that required more "thought" in replying. It broke up the monotony, even if the length of our posts may have dissipated the room. *L*

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL..LOL..Mandi, if Rollo had a tarsk bit, for every time I got left in the dust, posting wise.....LOL...LOL. I'd be RICH.. but that goes right back to the point that EACH of us has our OWN ways of doing things... I'm slow, and laugh alot... some guys are much quicker and spell a shit load better... some slaves pounce, or crawl, or slither, or whatever.... some FW sit quietly and others don't ..... Hell, we are ALL different, but EACH and EVERY one of us brings something with us to this medium.... the loss of ANY one is a sad thing... slave, FW, Master..... ANY.......

Asellus~~~ *giggling at the thought of penny with the broom* Too bad I missed that! *L*

Errand Knight~~~ agrees wholeheartedly with Kyoto's wise words

Kyoto~~~ *Shaking my head as I remember penny and the broom...*

Gornt~~~ Well said Rollo, I hate that some sites want O/one to be cookie cutter Goreans, and them claim to be the most Gorean

Torin~~~ Asselus, disagree. It appears to me many of the slave girl's are feeling unappreciated. From what I have seen, over and over again, their feelings are more than justified.
Come on Gornt, you're saying that you can't think of something nice to say to acknowledge a slave girl's serve that wouldn't offend the slave's Master?

Errand Knight~~~ thinks penny would ride the broom with a wider smile now

zoya{GS}~~~ ~*~smiles and nods in total agreement with Master Rollo's words wiggling her bottom down on flattened feet on the slave furs~*~

Gornt~~~ probably but in how I am I do get concerned, I am ah, hard to describe, ~chuckling~

Asellus~~~ Hmmm. *nodding to Torin* I'm just covering My own robed "tush" then. *slight chuckle* It seems that an underlying complaint is also one that the slaves feel Us FW are taking away the attention the slaves should be getting. I'll be honest. That does not sit well with Me when I hear such things. I have never once tried to upstage a slave in any way.
We FW cannot be responsible for the response the MEN give the slaves. *settling back, folding Her arms*

aisling{Torin}~~~ *giggling to her Masters touch and listening to the banter and thinking this is good*

Phen~~~ What I also think is that RT emotions come into this more than can be helped if one was truly a kajira on Gor, she doesn't have a choice she is either pleasing and keeps her mouth shut or she is sold or killed easy but here it is different as we are all ppl behind a key board and I also feel some girls have misconceptions on what a kajira truly is and that is she is not a slave....

Lemuel~~~ There are many ways to show appreciation for a girl's serve Gornt. Just watching them to let them know you are paying attention is one. Getting descriptive in conjunction with what they are doing is another.

Gornt~~~ ~listening to Phen~

arianna{HK}~~~ ~**nodding in agreement with Master Lemuel**~

Gornt~~~ ~nodding to Lemuel~ Thanks

aisling{Torin}~~~ *sitting up and hearing Mistress Phen and nodding* but Mistress if that is the case it is not just the "slaves" with emotions isn't it ALL of US, Masters, Mistresses and slaves... and isn't it good as a Family in a sight to care for all those feelings and emotions to make this a place to come to to feel special for EVERYONE?

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny must say that she sees the FW roleplay delightfully...
it is the Masters that penny sees sit in immobile silence... part of that is RT society that dictates that men shouldn't talk much to each other, or that they can't be effusive in their speech...
why not show passion for a hobby, or the weather, or the fine taste of a variety of kalana's?learn to play kaissa... do something, Masters... *grinning* penny knows that You are all intelligent beings... so speak in the tavern... pretty please... *smiles*

jacia{GS}~~~ shoot penny sparring 2!! heeh always fun to watch those!

Torin~~~ *chuckling at Asellus*

Phen~~~ Exactly Asellus and as we have our own Men that are greatly sought after by slaves I suppose that makes it even tougher for them when we have their attention*WEG*

Kayla~~~ Amen Asellus *S*

Gornt~~~ Me nare Stoics, penny. and Gor it is hard for Some to realize They can let go

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Master Lemuel's words.. nodding head in agreement.. then going back to do the notes~

arianna{HK}~~~ ari likes to watch the Master sparr also jaci, it's great fun.

Rollo the Ax~~~ That may well be another area of problem.... private verses tavern slave ..... if a girl is here, private OR GS, they are here because they want to serve.... if privately owned, she may have restrictions... but that doesn't mean she would not like to serve a drink or food, even if she can't alcove..or even if she can..... TOO many Masters don't give the private slaves a chance to serve also......and vice versa.... Masters with their own slaves will ignore the tavern girls.... WHY ???? Y'all gotta start * playing * more, and not get your knickers in a bunch if some tiny little thing don't go JUST RIGHT !!!!!!

penny{Kyo}~~~ nodding to jaci... penny loves to watch spars... she has learned much, and developed an interest of her own, having fenced back in Earthen days... *g*

Lemuel~~~ ~hearing penny's words~ I tried that one night pen, I tried to talk about my caste and some of the difficulties Builders encounter with the technology restrictions of the Priest-Kings...there didn't seem to be a lot of interest, so I know what you are talking about.

Kyoto~~~ *Chuckling at penny's words* I try girl... even to the point of researching kalana so that I can know more about vintages... think I'll incorporate that again.

jacia{GS}~~~ *agrees with Master Rollo*
*smiles @ ari*
oh hell penny that sounds like fun *G*

Gornt~~~ ~LAUGHING~

lara{HoS}~~~ this girl doesn't speck much at forums, as her opinion is always different from most...but the more Mistress Kayla can hold of Master Shawdowglade's attention the happier lara is...giggles...then she can serve and have fun with lots of Others she gets to do lots of different serves that way..

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling at lara's words~

Kyoto~~~ *Eyes glaze over as I picture the builders in the room discussing local building codes as opposed to the restrictions upon technologies by the PK's...*

Asellus~~~ *hearing lara* A unique perspective you have on that, lara. *smiles*

arianna{HK}~~~ *grins at lara*

jacia{GS}~~~ :)s @ lara

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling and winking to Kyoto~ Builders aren't boring you know, we just get excited over boring things. ~G~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL... penny, some of us get so busy * taking care of business * that all we EVER get to do is * talk *....LOL...LOL.... I couldn't even TRY to remember what the inside of an alcove looks like ......LOL...LOL... so it is not always due to a * lack * of will or by choice.....LOL

Torin~~~ *cracking up at lara*

jacia{GS}~~~ *LOL*LOL* Master Lemuel

galah{RA}~~~ kindda seems to this one that these forums was to learn, and as a sounding board to solve problems, but seems those that need the learning the most are those that don't show up, They seem to have endless ahns here any other time and all they do is keep others from coming in

penny{Kyo}~~~ one other thing that has bothered penny as of late... the amount of whispering that goes on...
why not share what one is whispering about? why not bring a conversation into an open room? penny has seen whispered conversations that beat room activity by a mile...
why coach a slave in private when all could benefit from watching publicly? why discuss activity in the room in whispers, rather than aloud?
penny would lilke to offer up a challenge to all... try to ban the whispers, and see how much livelier that tavern activity becomes... *grinning*

Kayla~~~ ~popping lara in the head with a nod~... I can only take care of the One I have I have no need for Others.. so I am of little threat to the girls... LOL

calia{GS}~~~ calia wiggles on Master Gornt's thighs as she smiles toward Master Lemuel ~* oh nooOOooo calia doesnt think You are boring...oh no ,not at all ...*winking playfully*

Phen~~~ Yes aisling but in open roleplay No and i feel it is to do with trying to seperate ones feelings from Rt to Vt what Lou would do to what Phen would do are two totally different things...

Kyoto~~~ *Laughing as I hear Lem*
I suppose you might be right...

lara{HoS}~~~ thanks Mistress Asellus, as lara loves even serving You and Mistress Mandi...You Both are alway great to talk with

penny{Kyo}~~~ hey, Master Lemuel, penny is with You there... penny isn't boring, either... she just happens to have interests that bore the listeners to sleep... no one much wants to verbally spar with penny over matters philosophical...
penny will listen to You discuss building (of which she has an interest herself... she adores woodworking), and You can listen to her discuss philosohpy... *nodding with satisfaction*

calia{GS}~~~ aye, so true sis penny, on all counts! ~*~laffin~*~

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling at calia and winking~

aisling{Torin}~~~ *nodding in agreement to Mistress Phen* yes we all roleplay but how do You turn off feelings when they arise.. those of arousal, excitement, sadness, love, heart ache.. which so many in the realm of just chat feel and well this is chat is it not?

calia{GS}~~~ nodding with a smile towards penny ~* calia adores that idea as one can't stand... some.... of the whispers she gets....*gentle smile*

lara{HoS}~~~ giggles at her Mistress...happy She does keep His attention...

Kayla~~~ penny I am not sure that it is anyone's business what people are whispering about.. I sure as heck don't want to know some of what they whisper and I am sure I do not want My whispers known... that is a fact of life in chat .. there will always be whispers...

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to penny~ I would enjoy that as I have an interest in philosophy as well.

Errand Knight~~~ penny: not sure that Id appreciate being called a HNG in public, prefer that stupidity left in whispers

arianna{HK}~~~ MIstress Kayla, ari thinks penny refers to whispered comments relating to assisting a slave with her serves etc.

Shadowglade~~~ *chuckle* that would make two of Us Lemuel....

penny{Kyo}~~~ Mistress Kayla, that is penny's point exactly... if something has to be said in a whisper, should it be being said at all? it is most likely of a hurtful nature...
an exception might be a direct confrontation with an individual... but it is penny's experience that almost no one goes directly to one that needs confronted, but whispers behind a back to everyone else...
that is juvenile and uncalled for... direct confrontation in a respectful manner is much more effective and adult... so please... everyone who has the whisper bug... think before you gossip.

Lemuel~~~ ~smiles~ There you go penny, you have an audience of at least two for your discussions on philosophy ~S~

Rollo the Ax~~~ GOOD POINT, penny...... enough is enough of this Machiavelian shit.... doing shit behind ppl's backs... Have the GUTS to come face to face with somebody y'all have a problem with... or that gives you a load of shit... if you CAN'T work it out together, come and get somebody to mediate, or try and settle the matter... don't run off trying to turn others against the other person in whispers or by being sneaky....

Phen~~~ I am not saying to turn off those feelings what I am saying or meaning is to look at oneself in this the character that is roleplaying or you the person and yes we are intwined and it has taken me a long time to work out the differance but well I am a much better person i believe in both VT and RT due to this...

talender{EK}~~~ ~blinks~

jacia{GS}~~~ *agreeing with Master Rollo and penny* this isnt the Jerry Springer show for PK's sakes !

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding and looking to the Senior Captain~

galah{RA}~~~ gossiping is unbecoming in a kajira heheheeeeee

calia{GS}~~~ ~* agreeing completely , lil slave clap ~* ...
the behind talking , like junior high school

aisling{Torin}~~~ mmmm.. well it seems clear Mistress Phen that we have to accept that some can and some can not turn off their emotions and well... be giving perhaps on that point

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ so then what's being said is if someone asks for help in a whisper, not to help them in whispers.. but bring it fully in the room?

Kyoto~~~ penny, you speak at the same rate when you get into a subject as well...

penny{Kyo}~~~ thank you, mistress sis... all kajira should take that to heart and say it ten times daily...
"gossip is unbecoming in a kajira"... *grinning*

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Oh, now come on, EK... I'll bet y'all been called worse than an HNG before.. I know that I sure as hell have.....LOL... I've been called things most of You might never have even heard....LOL...and some of them, I deserved.... LOL...LOL.. but names can only hurt, if they are true and deserved

Shadowglade~~~ I think what the Lady referred to penny was that some things DO need to be in whispers, such as RT conversation, such as making someone aware of something privately so as not to embarrass them, and for some that prefer to cyber in whispers, some of the rest of us would rather it stay there. That is how some of us feel. I would agree that one that need be confronted should be so confronted openly, as befits an adult...but I do not think that was what Kayla meant...

galah{RA}~~~ my momma told me that if ya can't say something nice about someone, then don't say nuthin at all.....might be a good principle to work on for all?

Kyoto~~~ I suppose it depends on the situation, jas...

penny{Kyo}~~~ jasma, why not help them in the room? if someone needs to know what is involved in a blackwine serve, there is probably someone else wondering the same thing... *g*

Kayla~~~ why would the girl assume that if whispers are going on, that it is gossip? most of the time, as far as I know, it is not. Maybe that I am not open to that, so I am unaware that it's happening, but when I gossip, I gossip on Q ~grins~ that way whispers don't get dropped...

jacia{GS}~~~ penny does have a point tho on the example of showing a serve...maybe the trainers showing a new girl the ropes...and help her serve and such *S* that would be interesting to watch..especially if there are new girls in the room that are watching and wishing to learn in order to make a decisive choice whether Gor is something they might like to try :)

galah{RA}~~~ what ya still callin me mistress for penny? heheheheheheheeee just plain simple ole galah now heheheee
this one don't think that one can hold their emotions either, especially slaves....this one has dropped many rt tears behind this screen cause of vt

penny{Kyo}~~~ cyber is so silly to read, anyway, why not do it openly? it is interactive porn and can be very entertaining to watch for those who are looking for sexual stimulation... so why not share it? that could improve the general level of the cyber writing ability... part of the fun of cyber is to take those emotions or ideas generated and carry them over to RT sex... *g* so if everyone hides, how can penny get anything out of what everyone else does? *laughing*

Rollo the Ax~~~ no, jasma,....whispers haver there place and serve a very good purpose.... but for those that will only whisper * bad stuff * or such and not be willing to openly say the same thing, is when the whispers are being misused ..... helping somebody in whispers is GOOD....

calia{GS}~~~ calia is torn between open help verses help in whispers ~* as it does mare the fluidity of the serve or conversations...as this slave has asked help or offered it often to sisters in whisper.....

galah{RA}~~~ this one use to train new ones at times in GS, it helped many, even the Free to understand the training it takes to become a good gorean slave, and the hard hard work...it's good for others to see that tooo, unless the room was crowded of course, then it should be a private training room

Errand Knight~~~ Rollo: You are right and I was not offended though saddened by those who confuse a rt Dom who learns more of gor with a hng

zoya{GS}~~~ oooo, galah, sooooo many tears ~*~nods~*~, gor does have tissues, right?

jacia{GS}~~~ smiles agreeingly with galah

arianna{HK}~~~ *LOL@penny*

penny{Kyo}~~~ galah, old habits die hard, and penny still holds a great deal of respect for you... so she feels that she should still honor all that you gave by conferring recognition...
perhaps mistress emeritus... .*g*

zoya{GS}~~~ ~*~laffin so hard at penny's words~*~
damn straight sis

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL... I don't know about that, penny...LOL.. Preformance anxiety is bad enough in private....LOL.. to openly let ppl see how little or poorly one might perform is more than many would be willing to do......LOL.. LOL..

Kyoto~~~ *Listening to penny and nodding enthusiastically*
Yeah, give her ideas to carry over!

pudding{GS}~~~ ~chuckles, nodding her wet head in agreement with penny~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ it may be a new girl learning how to serve and not wishing to ask a question in public..
or it may be one that's been here for awhile and gets asked something she's never served before and then if it's mentioned in public.. she in turn feels belittled because instead of mentioning what it is in private that it went public..

Lemuel~~~ ~listeing to the talk about training~ Is a FM ever present when the new girls are trained in the serves?

Asellus~~~ Ohhhh! *tugging down Her hood so that shields Her eyes as She hears Rollo's words*

calia{GS}~~~ ~*gigglin as she listens to penny~*

galah{RA}~~~ well now penny, that's a mouthful...heheheheheheheeeee you just say whatever ya like sis, call me anything ya like, just not 'late for dinner' heheheheheheheheheee

jacia{GS}~~~ LOL Master Kyoto

penny{Kyo}~~~ perhaps briefly telling the girl in a whisper that you shall answer in public, then doing so is a better plan...
penny is still of the notion that the only silly question is the one left unasked, and for a new girl to be trained openly is only to be expected...
didn't anyone ever read the Mrs. Piggle Wiggle books in elementary school about how naughty whispering is? *grinning*
try it for a few days... not whispering might just curb a bit of the nasties that occur around here...

Errand Knight~~~ cracks up at galah, mistress emeritus

zoya{GS}~~~ aye zoya likes the idea of openly training new girls when to opportunity arises, so any others in the tavern may learn or pick up on new points

Lemuel~~~ ~still wondering if a FM is present when a new girl is taught the serves~

Kayla~~~ Maybe it's just Me, but is there that much back biting going on? ~shaking My head~ I know, darn well as an Advisor, that if I am letting a Free know that they have made a mistake, I sure as hell am not going to do it in public. I am not a slave so I cannot comment how I would feel if corrected in public, but I would imagine it would not be q pleasant experience. As Rollo says, whispers have their place...

arianna{HK}~~~ not that ari has ever seen Master Lemuel.

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Lemuel, a Master can get involved in a slave training another... He can offer up suggestions, and in that way, be more interactive with what goes on in a serve... in that way, a serve could be more than just a soliloquy... *g*

Phen~~~ zoya as i am a FW I try to interact with the slaves by making them do different positions in the room one it gives interaction between Myself and a girl too it helps her and others too I hope....

calia{GS}~~~ aye Master Lemuel ..calia has watched one be helped within the tavern while Masters occupied ....
~thinking too of calias first switch dance ~* commanded by Master Sabre *gigglin*

Kyoto~~~ I like to help a new girl when I can Lem... coaching her serves if possible, even just giving advise or being there for support.

zoya{GS}~~~ and speaking of whispers, both Free and slaves need to be reminded that slave are to ASK first before PMing a Free, the Free need to hold us to it as the tempations are so great and once we get away with it once, we are soooo tempted to do it again
~*~soft smiles to One across the room, biting her whispering tongue~*~

jacia{GS~~~ often times when a Master or Mistress makes a comment @ jaci's serve...she will try at times to incorporate that in some fashion into her next post *S*

Lemuel~~~ ~hearing ari's answer~ I'm curious why that is. I know that in the books a FM was often encouraged to sit in on the traing so that a girl would become accustomed to serving before men.

penny{Kyo}~~~ Mistress Kayla, when penny was new, she was forever corrected in public, and learned quickly and well from her mistakes... correction doesn't necessarily mean criticism... it is meant for the betterment of the slave... penny is forever being chastized... *grinning* but she takes a stand and speaks her mind openly... it shouldn't be a bad thing to be honest, if done respectfully and with the intent to help, rather than to hurt.

arianna{HK}~~~ hmmm...we have 'set' trainers here in GS Master Lemuel, ari's not seen one Mistress's name on that list she doesn't think any have offered to train either....after all 'really' unless they have been a slave how can they properly teach a slave how to serve?

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the comments from Kyoto, penny & calia~ That is good then.

Asellus~~~ And I love it when a slave serving Me does that, jacia. The act is reassuring. It proves not only that I am watching her, but she is watching Me. *winks* Keep that up

Shadowglade~~~ Personally, I think alot of the problems going on in GS of late have to do with some misinformation, or perhaps some ignorance, or perhaps the fact that many are taking some things for granted...and we've all been guilty of THAT one...The questions I have are: 1. are the slaves unhappy because they do not get a response at all, or just what they think should be a proper one? and 2. would it help if GS offered training to the Free officially?

zoya{GS}~~~ that's great Mistress Phen, this one loves impromtu position testing sessions, keeps a girl on her toes ~*~nods~*~ as being the best gor has to offer, we need to keep sharp on our postions and serves and this way we don't forget them

jacia{GS}~~~ ~blushes warmly and winks back at the Melodic Mistress Asellus~ will do Mistress!! :-) ... jaci loves to do that Mistress...it helps set the stage a bit better too for a great RP

Asellus~~~ *Musing* Training to the Free? New Free? Or even Old Free? Wouldn't that be patronizing in a way, Shadowglade?

galah{RA}~~~ only problem is that some FP try to help and don't know enough themselves to be of real help, sometimes telling a new girl all the wrong ways, not the GS ways....could be an advantage to more of the training going on in GS in public

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Shadowglade, it has been penny's thought for months that mentoring or classes should be offered for new Free... the trouble being, how does one get the new Ones to attend?

aisling{Torin}~~~ *nodding* aisling does the same jacia.. and her Master makes it so when serving she's too never notice others but pay full attention with using the Master or Mistresses name so that They know her serve is just for them.. and they have her complete attention.. and when the interaction is good with the one the girl serves the serve is well.. mmmm.. special she hopes for both

Gornt~~~ I don't think so, I think it could be beneficial

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ Master Lemuel.. a girl has went over training material with no Free around.. then if FM show up.. and if He's not wishing a serve and don't mind the training continuing.. jaz has continued..
aye sis penny.. yet still.. sometimes the other isn't wishing to make it known that they don't know how to serve something.. and although perhaps at times it may help.. it can also hurt the one asking.. ~shrugs~.. a girl's door is always open to pm's unless the Captains tell a girl otherwise

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Shadowglade~ I think that official classes for the Free might be beneficial, but Many think it is a waste and that None would show up.

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci knows what Master Shadowglade is talking bout...Gorean Chat jaci thinks has a Mentoring program for Frees :)

Asellus~~~ *Hoping the training for the Free wouldn't turn into a case of "Too many chiefs and not enough indians" *

jacia{GS}~~~ nodding and smiling in agreement with aisling~ aye jaci agrees wholeheartedly on that aisling..that is why jaci has certain names like for Mistress Asellus for example..jaci calls Her the "Melodic Mistress" for good reason! hehe

penny{Kyo}~~~ Mistress Asellus, if done in a non threatening way, classes for the Free could be a great benefit... just like a lecture series, perhaps... maybe a class on sparring, or on the varied beverages on Gor... or perhaps a class on Gorean castes, etc... and slaves could benefit from listening in on classes like that, too, although perhaps it would make the Free feel less "free" if slaves were present while They were in an academic setting...

aisling{Torin}~~~ *nodding in agreement* that is exactly what this one has thought for so long Master Shadowglade it is very very important for mentoring how else does anyone learn.. for example aisling watched and learned from galah and go~anna when she came in

Asellus~~~ And I feel all warm and tingly and special when jacia alls Me that, too. *giggles*

Lemuel~~~ ~hearing the first girl~ I was thinking it might help to have a Master present at times, especially One that will respond to a girls' serve, so that she can practice performing the serve to One.

Torin~~~ Ah, my friend Shadow, I believe that training for the Free is an excellent idea and in such training to advise as to what the experienced has learned.

Phen~~~ Well *Looking over to Kayla and then to the room* The both of us have tried and tried and are about to try again with FW Forums where we can meet learn discuss whatever but it is hard with RT commitments not to mention time zones and well now I feel if i can only have the time for one forum/meeting it is this one the one of My home....

Asellus~~~ Okay, I gotcha there, penny. *nodding* And I would be glad to help. *nodding again*
But isn't there also a complaint I have heard of that perhaps things are getting too "philosophical"....I forget if I read that in the slave discussion notes *shrugging*....that too much of that may become boring or tedious to One looking for something other than that....

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding agreement with penny's words~ I would find such classes interesting and would make time to attend.

jacia{GS}~~~ *grins and winks at Mistress Asellus :)

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Lemuel, penny agrees that to have a Master present during training is beneficial.... she remembers descriptions of training where there were Free who did nothing but work with classes of slaves, making them do a particular point over and over until she had it correct..

Gornt~~~ as would I, hoping for Mondays and Wednesdays

Asellus~~~ ((Well, I couldn't have been any more vague in that last post, could I?))
What I mean is, do We really want to be more like the books? Is that what the training would lean towards? *blink, blink, hoping She worded that right*

pudding{GS}~~~ ~listens intently as she wrings urt water from her long fiery locks~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding again to penny~ Aye, I know that this happened in "Assassins"...and other books as well.

Shadowglade~~~ My question was one solution to the problems we as a whole are experiencing, I know that at one time Captain Bolt wanted to do a training course for any and all interested in the Warrior Caste, and mentioned that He was considering widening it to include all Free....I Myself think it would also be benificial, and would think that were it official, it may lend some creedance to it...*shrugs* I Myself have not learned all I would like of Gor, nor of what it means to BE Gorean, and would welcome the chance to learn, and to teach what I know to others...*shrugs* but it would really depend on how much commitment was shown by those interested in attending....*shrugs*

Phen~~~ *Looking over to the Captain* Rollo now I don't mean this in any disrepect to You or the Advisors but how big is that Dais You all sit on*smile*....Would it not be correct for the dais to be that for only the Captains and their wants as to who they have with them?

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, to wrap things up a bit... training for the Free is and has been a good idea...the trouble is getting those who NEED it the most are those that won't do it....the case of leading a horse to water, but not being able to make them drink...well, the same can be said for horse's asses.....LOL....LOL.. I would suggest that we ALL try a bit more to be more open and willing to try harder, and at the same time be willing to cut the other person a bit more slack... and see if we can't get things back on track...that does NOT mean that we should let ppl get away with crap.... wrong is still wrong... and if anybody does something WRONG, they need called on it.....

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding in total agreement with the Senior Captain~

Torin~~~ Shadow, a very grave concern of mine is that one unfamiliar with gor stumbles into the tavern and ends up crying r/t because some Master beats the girl up. I think the Piazza is not a solution. I think of my 19 year old niece stumbling in here, only wanting to make new friends and have some fun and some Master attacking her and she knows nothing other than someone has been rude to her. My niece is sensitive. She would cry. And when I approach Masters treating the the uninitiated in such manner, they typically use gor as an excuse for their nasty behavior and say something like "Gor is harsh." Well, that is completely unacceptable to me. We need the Council to seriously address this issue and protect the uninitiated. *casual wave*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ aye Master Lemuel.. a girl would think that would be beneficial.. ~smiling up at Him~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Torin, in such a case, the Piazza will be JUST the palce for a new person to go to....Gorean, but not as harsh as the tavern.... in any case, it will only happen when Gary has the time....soon I hope, but whenever .....

Shadowglade~~~ *nodding to Torin* I can understand, and even agree with your point of view Torin, and would hope that anyone in here that would treat an un initiated so would not stay...the fact is, that there are assholes all over, and often those that would be happy to help, and happy to teach are not present. For Our parts as Free Men, if We see such happen, it is within Our right to say something about it, and tell those that take the stance that "Gor is harsh" is a good reason to be rude to someone innocently exploring, and maybe even interested in Gor, that they are assholes...straight up.
As for the Council taking a stance on it. They are limited to a certain degree, as They have to look out for everyone's interests, not just the newcomers, and try to strike an even balance between them. As it was once said to Me, wearing the title "Captain" Does not make One a superman with all the answers...They're trying, and sometimes don't succeed....

Torin~~~ Rollo, disagree. I think what will happen is that the uninitiated will go to the Piazza, glance around, find themselves alone and leave.
And that still doesn't stop the uninitiated from stumbling into the tavern. I would like to see the counsel make it very clear to all that it is simply not acceptable, gor or no gor, to make young girls cry at their computers. I can tell you right now, gor isn't worth it to me if young girls are crying at home. Sorry, but just the way I see it.

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. okay, folks.... I'll close tonights forum...Thanks for coming....same place, same time, next week.....LOL... be well, all

jacia{GS}~~~ Thank You Master Rollo for a great Forum! *Big smiles*

aisling{Torin}~~~ aisling thanks You Master Rollo for the forum *turning to her Master* and thank You Master for allowing Your girl to speak her mind freely

Kyoto~~~ Winds Rollo, thanks for holding this lively debate

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ thank You Master Rollo for tonight's forum.. ~s~

calia{GS}~~~ thank You Master Rollo for allowing slave to speak open mind ....~* ~*enlightened smile~* a wonderful forum this night

Gornt~~~ Rollo I enjoyed the discussion, I am glad I came

Lemuel~~~ Thank you Captain Rollo for another interesting forum.

zoya{GS}~~~ thank You Master Rollo for holding tonight's forum and allowing this tavern property to speak openly
~*~soft sweet smiles to her Owner~*~

penny{Kyo}~~~ thank You, Master Rollo, for Your time and patience... it is greatly appreciated... *respectful smiles* penny is grateful for the opportunities that this forum provides...

pudding{GS}~~~ this girl truly enjoyed her first forum attendance....thank You for allowing a girl to be here this night.