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A New Advisor to GS

Basic Rules Information & Reminders Uncollared slaves

The Foundation Laid

A New Advisor to GS

Although i didn't c&p the conversation of Master Rollo as He announced that the Captains had appointed Master Ceredigawn Durst, as the newest advisor to GS, nor Master Durst's acceptance of said Title. i wanted to let all know that weren't at this Monday's forum, that Master Ceredigawn Durst is the newest Advisor that has joined the ranks with:
Master Shadowglade
Mistress Moonglow
Mistress Kayla

a girl wishes Him well in this position.

Congratulations Master


Basic Rules Information & Reminders

Rollo the Ax~~~ Let Me open the GS forum for tonight.... welcome one and all.......

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, folks... same rules as always ... no begging to enter or leave, keep any greetings or private talking to whispers, and no serves during the forum..... lets get things started....

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay.. anybody with a topic they wish to have discussed, PM Me with it.....but the first topic is one that really doesn't need much debate or discussion....It is simply a * reminder * or statement to all that call GS home, that personally owned slaves are required to follow the same basic rules of behavior as GS owned slaves......

Rollo the Ax~~~ By that, I do NOT mean that the Council is telling You all what You can or can't do with or to Your own slaves....but there is a minimum accepted level of behavior or actions that ALL slaves are held to.... just because a slave is privately owned does NOT give her the right to * get away * with doing, or NOT doing certain things in GS......

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Nodding in agreement with Rollo.* I would hope that is already understood.

Kyoto~~~ *Nodding* Of course, nothing less should be epected.

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding quietly in agreement with the Senior Captain~

calia{Sabre}~~~ ~* hands fluttering to rest on her thighs ~* listening intently .....

Rollo the Ax~~~ Each Master/Mistress has the right to limit or restrict their slaves in whatever way they see fit.....BUT such restrictions should be exact in there wording and reasonable.... such as not serving a certain Master...not a blanket not serving at all ..... Common sense stuff folks....

Rollo the Ax~~~ Perhaps it should also be noted that * punishment * of a slave is a WIDE OPEN matter, and also open to MUCH debate..... so once again, a * guide line * from the Council... slaves, if found displeasing, could be cuffed, or lightly kicked aside, or even have their hair grabbed and pulled to make it shown that they have been found LESS than acceptable.... but NOT whipped or damaged permantly in any way....

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening with interest to what Master Rollo is speaking of.. nodding head in understanding~

Kyoto~~~ Unless it is your own slave, Rollo, correct?

jacia{GS}~~~ listening intently

Rollo the Ax~~~ If such punishment is not enough in the eyes of the Free, they should then put the slave to the post to await the attention of their own Master/Mistress....

Rollo the Ax~~~ Oh YES, Kyoto... any privately owned slave is subject to ANY punishment their Master chooses....

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ Well what if there is a case in which the slave is never punished, and they continue to be insolent?

Kayla~~~ ~shaking My head at Kyoto~ If Your property means so little to You maybe You might consider a sale rather than permant damage?

Kyoto~~~ *Nodding* You did kind of leave it open there, Rollo. *grinning*

Kyoto~~~ Kayla, a slave is property, a Master may do as he wishes with his property. Even to the point of killing her if she is sufficiently displeasing. Do you deny a Free Person that right?

calia{Sabre}~~~ nervously one bites into her lower lip as slave listens...~* a chill captures calia as she kneels alone...

Rollo the Ax~~~ In such a case, C.D., I believe that the matter should be brought to the attention of the Council.... with examples and records of how many times the slave should have been punished, and for what, then WE can check into it and find out the why and wherefore.....

Asellus~~~ *Glancing at Kayla* Kayla, in the past I have witnessed Xern and other Free Men tossing useless girls to the canals, dead.....it happens when a girl is not found pleasing.

galah{RA}~~~ and just a lil reminder to the slaves, what One Master may find acceptable, Another One could find to be displeasing, it is for you to take the responsibility for your actions at all times...for if you are even personally owned and your Master finds your actions to be acceptable, perhaps another does not find it to be sooo and cuffs you for speaking to Him in such a way....such is the way of Gor

Kayla~~~ Heck no just have found usually if One can not control a slave there is Another Who is willing to try ~grins~ Death is never a first thought to Me and is avoided at all costs ~smiling~

teeah~~~ girl listens intently

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Nodding at Rollo's words.* Aye Rollo, tis' what I thought...

Kyoto~~~ I didn't intend for my statement to be a debate, simply a clarification...

calia{Sabre}~~~ *~ nodding and leaning over a bit to whisper to her sis...aye galah ....no princess in calia , this slave understands,completely .......

Kyoto~~~ I agree Kayla, the only time I have killed a slave was when she was dualing, wearing both my collar and a site collar under a different name.
That was inexcusable... and it was a council member that reminded me she needed to die.

Kayla~~~ The Healer is always peeking through in My thoughts ~smiling~ and aye I do know the harsh realities and even have agreed to some deaths I just caution Any with a so called trigger finger *S*... dead is dead

jacia{GS}~~~ ~nods softly and understandingly

galah{RA}~~~ this one thinks you could ask every Free here the acceptable standard of punishment of a slave and you would probably have equally as many ideas, for everyone feels different about what is a punishable offense and what is not....unless some "new" Master was completly out of hand, a girl thinks it best to not interfere, for have seen to many times it erupting into warfare between the Free, and that should not happen, especially over a slave!!

Kyoto~~~ The most effective punishment I ever administered was changing penny's name to yes, Master... reminded her what I expected every time she logged on.

galah{RA}~~~ this one would think that killing a slave would be a last resort, for even though she is only property, she is valuable property and to sell her gains One much more than the momentary satisfaction of her death

p>Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Aye, often the punishment needs to be set by the Master that KNOWS the slave.... LOL.. for some it might take a whip or a kick..... for others, so little as being ignored may have as much effect....

jacia{GS}~~~ ~thinking emotional and mental punishments have a better effect on a slave than a physical one~
depending on what it is of course

galah{RA}~~~ and to further add, those of us who take gor seriously think of ourselves as dead if we are dead, but many or most of those who are found sooooo displeasing as to find themselves dead, don't stay dead anyway, they find a new name to return to do it all over again.

Kayla~~~ ~nodding at galah's words~

galah{RA}~~~ this one has pondered that sooooooo often, Gor gets in one's blood and ya can't leave even when you want to, but should someone kill one, then she would be dead and forced to leave Gor, but in RT, Gor is still in her blood and she can't leave, so what to do, it's a most horrifying dilemma

Rollo the Ax~~~ jacia.... ALL avenues of punishment are open to a gorean Master.... It is our earthen habits or * up bringing, society, what ever term you wish to use * that makes so many that come here hesitate to use the physical one....

teeah~~~ listens quietly to galah's thoughts

galah{RA}~~~ guess it's what makes one do her best to be her best to not get dead, so one don't have to face such a horrid thing...but not all can find it in themselves to always be found pleasing, just like kids, some are soooo good without even trying and others are just bad to the bone heheheheee

jacia{GS}~~~ ~nodding at Master Rollo's wisdom and nods her head in understanding~ Yes Master jaci understands...the reason she thinks that is only because is because physical punishments leave phsyical impressions upon the slave...as to where a mental and emotional deprevity (sp?) that You mentioned earlier leaves permanent impressions upon a slave's mind.....ohhh jaci hopes Master knows what she is trying to drive @ cuz she isn't sure she is :(

galah{RA}~~~ galah is rambling again, she will be quiet and let someone else talk for awhile heheheheheheheee heheheheee

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling at galah's words~

teeah~~~ ~ giggling at galah's words .... nodding ~

calia{Sabre}~~~ listening to Master Rollo's words...~* some slaves, well..calia *gigglin*...needs such strength over her to feel ones slavery and inhales the opportunity to work hard to please Masters ...~* knowing she can die at the hands of Free...

galah{RA}~~~ this one is sorry, she just can't be quiet for toooo long or she might just explode.....anyways, this one once knew a slave that whispered to this one while being whipped, the girl thought it all a big joke, to be whipped online and all....this one was soooooo sad for this girl that couldn't understand what was happening, for this one has cried her eyes out in rt over a vt punishment, be it emotional or physical

teeah~~~ nodding softly at calia's comment about needing much strength from a Master

galah{RA}~~~ but then that kind of slave is the kind that don't feel the punishment, she sure would not feel the death either....for it's all just a game to her, unfortunantly, we gonna have those kind in slaves and Frees, it's a sad fact of vt life

Rollo the Ax~~~ Also... too FAR too many ppl....especially those that don't take on-line gor serious, but even for some that DO.. killings, whippings, and a great many things done here are just * make believe or role playing *...

Asellus~~~ *raising a hand, speaking softly* I may misunderstand You, Rollo, but I for one take *this*--what I call "role-playing"--very seriously

Kyoto~~~ Well, by the strictest definition, this is role playing, I for one am not a tarnsman or sea captain in my real life. But while I am here, this is serious to me. I have always put my all into a role. It becomes a part of me and me a part of it. I take what happens personally.

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at Kyoto's words~
For some of us this is an extension of who we RT though.

Rollo the Ax~~~ I don't want to * preach * here folks... but until you have been * whipped * ( and I DON'T mean playing around in the bedroom or such ) how can you understand just how bad it is or would be ????? KILL ???? it is one thing to say * BANG, your dead...or I cut your head off * here in cyber space..... but until you have choaked the life from another human, or stood next to one killed, death is WAY TOO much of a game to many ppl.....

Cara~~~ listening very quietly and thinking that even though not pleadged here when I am here take it seriously while here...

Asellus~~~ As do I. *nodding at Kyoto*

Kyoto~~~ *Nodding at Lem's response*
Alot of who I am in my real life, my opinions and personality comes out in Kyoto. I can't help it. I feel very strongly about Gor.

Kayla~~~ ~agreeing with Kyoto's words~ I too have a line that I draw but I can not help but bring Myself into to Gor with Me... Kayla is a part of Me as I am a part of Her ~smiles~ but some parts of Vt Gorean exsistence just does not translate well to Rt and the other way around *S*... But I am quite serious about My role on Gor and Those around Me can affect My Rt as well as VT *S*

Seafire~~~ Aye Rollo *agreeing* sense those who don't take it seriously just change nics.

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Hearing Rollo's words agreeing totally with Him*

jacia{GS}~~~ listening intently and agreeing

Kyoto~~~ Rollo, I have never killed another man... but that does not mean I take it lightly. Every death is a loss of potential. It leaves another person without someone he or she cherishes and diminishes us all. I believe that every living creature has something to offer, some destiny, even if it is a minor one.

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL... Aye, Asellus...semantics can cause such misinderstandings... My whole idea was to try and point out that no matter what you call it, we are ALL responsible for out actions in life... VT, RT, or what ever.... We bring SOOO much of our own * REAL * self with us to our role playing here, that we often forget that not everyone takes it as seriously as the next person.... does that explain what I tried to convey ?????

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding in agreement with Rollo and Kyoto~
I have never had to take a life, but one of my RT interests is martial arts and I know from this how fragile life is.

Kyoto~~~ *Nodding as I get the meaning behind Rollo's words*

Kyoto~~~ Life is to be cherished... the least action can snuff it out.

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Looking to Lemuel knowing a bit of Martial Arts Himself* Aye life is very fragile...

Asellus~~~ I understand, Rollo. However, I cannot stop the feeling I get that when Others use the term "role-playing" I get this bad taste in My mouth, for to Others it must seem maybe silly or childish to call this "interaction" as such. Yes. The semantics of it really misconstrues the meaning. But I find that most people revolt at the term "role-playing".

galah{RA}~~~ this one thinks that most of us bring our inner selves to Gor, it's our less than perfect RT bodies and health that we leave behind heheheheheheheheeee hehehehee

Kyoto~~~ Asellus, what get's to me is when people get bent out of shape when you say they are role playing, because that is what they actually are doing. I'm not trying to diminish what and who anyone is in here... *shrugging* But it's semantics...

galah{RA}~~~ this one agrees Mistress Asellus, to "role-play" gives one the idea of a game such as Dungeons & Dragons or the newer versions of the same kind of thing

Kyoto~~~ The difference being galah, is there are no dice here, no character sheets, we define who and what we are, our words make us who we say we are.

galah{RA}~~~ just seems there should be a different word for what it is we do? it all seems to get lumped together, this one went once to a RP room, did terrible there, they kept using terms we never use, like OOC, and kept calling fouls on this thing or that on this one, she left in a hurry

Asellus~~~ *Smiling openly at both Kyoto and galah* I'll be the first to confess it, I get just as close to characters I don't portray even in a true "game" setting. But the charm about this interaction is that I get to "paint" My own storyline, so to speak, and pour a true piece of Myself into it.

Asellus~~~ Why? Because Gor seems to be elevated above the likes of Dungeons & Dragons. It has more of a purpose and gives us a bit of psychological satisfaction.

galah{RA}~~~ because this one had been on Gor for sooooooo long, she thought she would have NO trouble in a RP room, was this one ever mistaken....there is a world of difference between the two, just as there is a world of difference between BDSM and Gor tooo

galah{RA}~~~ **clicks her heels together** there's no place like home, there's no place like home

Kyoto~~~ Another term, eh? Hmm, how about online interaction? No, too broad I think...

jacia{GS}~~~ *giggles at galah*

galah{RA}~~~ **smiles to jacia** don't encourage this one jacia, she is babbling enough already heheheheheheee

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci thinks you don't need much encouraging galah hehe

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Okay, enough about death and such.....LOL.. How has a nice simple topic ????? LOL.. Like why is there air ??? or how deep is the Thassa ???? LOL...LOL..

jacia{GS}~~~ *giggling at Master Rollo's comment*

teeah~~~ ~ smiling to Master Rollo


Uncollared slaves

Rollo the Ax~~~ Shadowglade....You have another topic You wish to put forth ???? is everyone done with the other yet ??? LOL..

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Listening for the new topic from Shadowglade.*

Shadowglade~~~ I have a new topic, all, one that was brought to My attention today....it would seem that some do not know the Council's stance on unkolared slaves, or the why's and wherefores of why we do not honored the observer's kolar...how many here have those same questions?

jacia{GS}~~~ ~is somewhat curious for knowledge's sake~

teeah~~~ eyes widen
girl falling silent to listen
heart beginning to beat faster at the new topic

calia{Sabre}~~~ aye Master Shadowglade,calia was here when the questions /confusion arose this afternoon...one wonders as well ....

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ Actually I had wondered why We did not do this...

Shadowglade~~~ That question was put forth to Me this afternoon, as you say calia, and in truth, I struggled to answer it...I know the why's and wherefore's I believe, but it isn't posted anywhere, so I thought it would make for a good topic tonight....

jacia{GS}~~~ ~listens to Master Shadowglade*

calia{Sabre}~~~ a girl listens as slave has her own opinion on thus ~* but wonders of GS policies...~*
lil squirm on her heels as lowered eyes roam ...listening...

Shadowglade~~~ okay, as I understand it, GS policy is that unkolared girls are not protected by the Council. And We do not honor the observation kolar for various reasons...all of which, or for that matter the official one's, I do not know.

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. Okay, y'all wanna get Me stuck here between the devil and the deep blue sea....LOL.. GS doesn't honor or abide those * observation * collar things, simply because they often seem to be abused by some.... and technically, GS IS a KILL/Capture zone..... but at times that also becomes a problem due to the * zeal * that new Masters have for collaring ANYTHING that walks past.... trying to hit a happy medium is not an easy task......

jacia{GS}~~~ listening and agreeing

Dark Dragon~~~ oh yes, I learned my lesson on that real quick !

Rollo the Ax~~~ That is one of the reasons for the Council wanting to get the Piazza room opened up, so that IT could be a NO Kill/ capture area, and offer a buffer or safe haven for those NEW or just learning about Gor .....

calia{Sabre}~~~ biting into her lower lip ~ as calia listens.....

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ It all makes sense to Me now...*LOL*

Shadowglade~~~ *nodding to the senior Captain* Where once I disagreed with the idea of the Piazza, I have changed My view on it Captain.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Once again, the difference between the Books,( where there is NO such thing as an * un-collared * slave ) and on-line Gor becomes a problem.....

Dark Dragon~~~ what I've learned from the unkolared slaves is, you can kolar most if ya push it, but they don't honor it the next day, so what's the poiunt, open the door, if they wish it, then so be it, why waist time kolaring some one that just wishes to come and serve, a little, and then is gone for months ! it is still a choice , and if they don't wish it, no sense forcing itr, it does GS no good !!

Rollo the Ax~~~ A VERY GOOD point and observation, Dark Dragon...

Dark Dragon~~~ well, contrary to popular belief, I am learning !!
thanks Rollo !

Kayla~~~ ~laughing at Darks words~ Good for You!...LOL

Rollo the Ax~~~ My own position on un-collared slaves is perhaps best put forth in a Zen manner..... To have a flower here, to be seen and smelled, is one thing.... but if I * pick * the flower, do I enjoy it for a short time, and then watch it die, or do I leave it for one that will dig it up, and plant it in His own garden??? to grow and flourish ????

teeah~~~ listening to Master Rollo
girl smiles

Asellus~~~ That's inspirational, Rollo! *smiles*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at Rollo's words~

Gornt~~~ Well put Rollo

dove{DD}~~~ whispers softly to Master Dark Dragon
Master Rollo is very wise

Dark Dragon~~~ yes he is !


The Foundation Laid

Kyoto~~~ How long till that opens, Captain?

Dark Dragon~~~ the Piazza is listed at the bottom of the room list !!

Shadowglade~~~ any word as to when we could expect to see it? or is it still being discussed with GaryM?

Lemuel~~~ ~looking at the list~ Ooooh, it is, it is!!!

galah{RA}~~~ Master GaryM has the Piazza listed on the bottom of the room list, He is still working out a few security doors to accomplish what we wish to happen, it really depends on how long it takes to work out the bugs while still keeping poolside going **looking at all the lines**

galah{RA}~~~ but you don't go to the Piazza from that...it just goes to another page....but He surely is trying to get it going for us, shouldn't be long.

Kyoto~~~ I for one look forward to it's opening. It should be a fun change of pace.

Rollo the Ax~~~ GaryM is still working on it, folks.... He needs time to be able to work out the programs needed to allow GS and the Piazza to be separate rooms but still linked...and still be secure from hackers, etc. ...... He IS working on it, lets just try and be more patient .... after all, we are not His ONLY room or concern..... But He will work it out sooner or later.....Okay

Kayla~~~ We shall see Kyoto....

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling~ So, we could say that the foundation has been poured?...

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Nodding* Aye Lemuel excellent choice of words...

Kyoto~~~ *Grinning mischieviously at Kayla*
Come on, where is your spirit of adventure?

Kayla~~~ Hmmmm I have an open mind Kyoto ~smiling~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. Aye, the foundations are poured, but the * fire walls * are not put up yet.....LOL..LOL.. ( and THAT folks is the limit of MY puter knowledge to try and be funny....or is that * punny *???? LOL. )

Asellus~~~ ((*LOL @ Rollo*))

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling at the Senior Captain's jest~

Ceredigawn Durst~~~ *Shaking head and Laughing.* More than I know Rollo

galah{RA}~~~ Master Rollo, will there be a big Grand Opening Festival when it does open?

jacia{GS}~~~ ~ears tweak at the sound of a Festival~ party!!!!!! :)

galah{RA}~~~ good excuse for a party, dancing on the tables and all? **brows furrow with worry at the thought of her Master on a table like Master Xern did one time**

calia{Sabre}~~~ oOOooooh calia luvs to table dance *gigglin softly*
excite twinkling in azure eyes....

jacia{GS}~~~ galah, jaci has hard time picturing that hehe

galah{RA}~~~ well jacia, Master Xern danced on a table one time at a Festival, but then Master Xern is not the size of this one's Master....not sure the tables here are up to that heheheheheheheeee

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. I am surrounded by a bunch of Gorean * party animals * ...LOL....LOL.. You lot would hold a festival for any old reason......LOL...LOL...LMAO....... I would guess that WHEN the Piazza opens, it will be deserving of a party......LOL...LOL...Yes....

jacia{GS}~~~ *laughing* ooooooooooooooooo sisssssssss LOL! jaci would have had to been there to see Master Xern ohhhh goodness *giggling*

Kyoto~~~ *Listening to the conversation and chuckling softly*

galah{RA}~~~ this one thinks we could start planning then Master? **lookin to her Master and then to the first girl jaz** for this one thinks when it goes up, it's going to go up quickly Master

jacia{GS}~~~ galah maybe if we had like a bar Master could dance on that! *grins*hehe

galah{RA}~~~ but then we wouldn't have a bar no more jacia heheheheheheheee heheheheheheee

calia{Sabre}~~~ a girl squrims on her upturned heels hearing Master Rollo's words....~* eyes sparkling with anticipation

Shadowglade~~~ Personally I think the question of what the bar should be made of is rather irrelevant especially when the question We all should be asking is do We really want to see the Captain in silks *chuckle*

dove{DD}~~~ busts out laughing at the very thought of Captain in silks

Kyoto~~~ *Looking at Shadowglade with a panicked expression on my face*
I'll pass, thank you... no offense Rollo...

Rollo the Ax~~~ ?? SILKS ???? I sure hope You are talking about one of the OTHER Captains !!!!!! LOL...LOL.. I ain't NEVER been THAT drunk..... and I have been REAL drunk before...... LOL...LOL..

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Y'all got a better chance of just seeing My hairy bare ass walking through the tavern than to see it covered with some kajira silks......LOL...LOL

jacia{GS}~~~ *tries to picture Master SHADOWGLADE in SILKS lol* hehe

Lemuel~~~ ~ROFLMAO~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well, folks....the time for the forum is up... I want to thank everyone for coming and taking part.... I look forward to seeing everyone again next week....LOL. if not several times before ....LOL..

Kyoto~~~ Thank you for your patience and good humor, tonight, Captain.

teeah~~~ thank You Master Rollo
~ smiles ~

jacia{GS}~~~ *giggling* Thank You Master Rollo for a great forum :)

calia{Sabre}~~~ thank You Master for an enlightening forum again this night ...

Lemuel~~~ ~still chuckling~ Thank you Captain for another enjoyable evening!

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ thank You Master Rollo..