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To be decided by the Council...A left over topic
Two circles in the sand Bringing new slaves into GS
Gorean VS BDSM Books by John Norman

To be decided by the Council...A left over topic

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, in any case, we will move on, and get things started... jasma informs Me that the only carry over topic is the one about the slaves begging to enter...And I said that the subject will be brought up to the Council...nuf said there...

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~nodding head as Master Rollo speaks~


Two circles in the sand

Rollo the Ax~~~ Also, the only other question that to My knowledge has not been answered or covered, is the one about * a slave girl making two circles in the sand * asked by Belial... He said it had to do with the girl using her breasts to mark where a fight begins in the sand pit... But I have found NO quote clearly saying that such has done... so until it can be shown, I think it must remain just a personal opinion... agreed ????

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye Captain, I can't recall anything like that happening in the books.

Gornt~~~ hehehehehehe
and I said either breasts or butt

calia{GS}~~~ listening to His wise words..~* as calia add softly...
calia too,asked sisters for help from another site and it seems many know of this, some practice it...but no quotes can be found to support such ~circle~ makin *giggling*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~letting go of the piece of rence paper momentarily as she feels His fingers twirl strands of silken mane.. listening as Master Rollo speaks of the other question.. smiling warmly and whispering~..
all a girl has found is:

The rules for the sport are simple. They are those of war.
"Place each of you your right heel on the wooden rim of the sand, oval," then said the man in the center of the sand.
Beasts of Gor, page356

Phen~~~ *Smiling to the Captain* I hadn't heard of that one before either*smiles* So Rollo I agree with You...


Bringing new slaves into GS

Rollo the Ax~~~ So.... if anybody has a new topic, NOW is the time to throw it out here for consideration...LOL..

Rollo the Ax~~~ Have any topics to discuss ???? LOL...LOL... We are off to a slow start this week.....LOL..LOL..

Kayla~~~ Topics?.... Hmmm

Kayla~~~ New ways to brings new slaves into the Tavern?

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~warm brown pools close as she enjoys the way His fingers moves through dark tresses.. purrs escaping.. listening for a topic~

Kayla~~~ any ideas?

Kayla~~~ We were getting all the DM slaves but they seem to have gone mostly back to DM again

Lemuel~~~ ~shrugs~ I'm at a loss as to how to get new slaves to stay.

BladeBane's ja`dain~~~ ~**offers quietly**~ Some will always come and go. Those with true heart for it, will stay.

Gornt~~~ I brought one Saturday night, but she either got booted or chickened out

calia{GS}~~~ ~*smiling to Master Lemuel and Mistress Kayla~*
calia thinks the same for new Masters....

Kayla~~~ That is one of the reasons I bring it up... We seem to have a slave shortage at the moment

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at ja'dain's comment~ Aye, as long as there are Masters around to keep the fire burning in their bellies anyway...

BladeBane's ja`dain~~~ ~**nods softly in agreement with the Master Builder**~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. well... Gor never was the * thing * for many BDSM ppl... many both master/dom...and slave/sub, found the Gorean philosophy and lifestyle not fully to their liking... perhaps they just got * homesick *....LOL..LOL..

Gornt~~~ I try to promote GS everywhere I go

Kayla~~~ Well We still are pledging New Patrons about one or 2 a month

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening~..
this one don't believe there's *one* way on bringing new slaves in.. most here in poolside know what the room is about.. and many have came in before.. yet.. have left feeling the room wasn't for them..
as ja says.. if they have a true heart for it.. they'll stay

BladeBane's ja`dain~~~ But how many of those are true masters, Mistress Kayla? No offense meant, but how many of the new pledges can keep the slaves' fires burning? Don't get ja wrong, there are plenty she adores that are not "true masters", but could they keep her fires burning? Never.

Kayla~~~ ~shruggs~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Folks, lets face facts.... There are as many reasons to stay or go as there are leaves on the trees... all that ANY of us can do is to try and help as much as we can, and hope that those with like minds and hearts find their way here, and stay.... the slaves need Masters, and the Masters need slaves.... and we ALL need certain things that may only be found here ....or not....

BladeBane's ja`dain~~~ ~**nods at the Master Bezerker's wisdom**~

Kayla~~~ Right as always Rollo *S* Your Suggestion for bringing more girls in?

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Lady Kayla ??? THAT is the age old question for ANY Gorean site....LOL.. MORE slaves assure more * Masters *.... LOL...LOL.. the basic concept of * bums on seats *...LOL...LOL.. but just how to make it happen ???? LOL. If * I * knew the answer to that question, I would be set for life....LOL...LOL..


Gorean VS BDSM

Rollo the Ax~~~ And the problem often is ... * WHO is right or sees themselves as such ?? * I meen, some BDSM think they or their ways are right, and Goreans see OUR ways as right... WHO IS ???? LOL.. or maybe it could be said * What common ground or actions can we BOTH agree on ??*... in other words, where can BDSM and Gor agree and accept each other ????

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye Captain, there are some similarities between Gor and BDSM, but most PPL seem to fixate on the differences.

inara{G}t~~~ *listens quietly*

Gornt~~~ on one site I was on they used ot have a joint Forum with the BDSM site to exchange ideas to promote understanding of the two realms

Gornt~~~ Maybe DM & GS should sponser a joint Forum

Gornt~~~ ~listening for Rollo's idea~

Phen~~~ *Smiles* That's the crux of the matter Lemual I feel there is no right or wrong just different and to understand this then we may get a common ground to work from...

desiree{Algernon}~~~ being one that comes from a BDSM background….in her mind….Gor picks up where BDSM leaves off……while BDSM provides something to her…it left her feeling a bit empty….it only allowed her submission fulfill this girl's burn in her need to truly submit…..Gor does give her this……so with that said….she thinks that in order for Gor to be right for a girl….it must first be within her heart to truly serve and ache for that “more” that is found within Gor….funny….most people think of Gor as roleplaying but yet…..she finds that Gor provides more for her in r/t that BDSM ever did.

Phen~~~ *Nods to Gornts words* That's an idea get people talking...

Lemuel~~~ ~nods to Phen~ I think one of the things that turns Gorean Men off about BDSM is the whole male-sub thing. It doesn't fit in well with the Gorean philosophy.

Gornt~~~ if We talk and explain why we are here and they explain why they are there it might bring us closer together

Gornt~~~ ~nodding to Lemuel~
I could be a gigalo, ~chuckling~

Phen~~~ Oh I agree Lemuel and I suppose vice a versa also I think the BDSM is more of a rt thing persons are basically the same but with Gor it is not only the philosophy but Role Play as well....

inara{G}t~~~ *grins slightly hearing Master's words*

Rollo the Ax~~~ But Phen, that IS the crux of the matter... for while the truth of the matter is that for each and every individual person, there are many things that may or may not be wholly right or wrong, for sites...Gorean OR BDSM, there ARE limits of what is excepted as right or wrong... so while there may be some * middle ground *, there will always be things that neither will agree on in total... therefore, the difference between the two * life styles *... agreed ???

Lemuel~~~ ~nods~ You're right, Phen. There's also friction between the Gorean lifestylers and roleplayers. ~shaking My head~

Gornt~~~ how many in GS practice GOR in RT?

Gornt~~~ show of hands?

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ I wouldn't mind doing it r/t, Gornt, but My wife wouldn't like it. ~G~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening.. scribing the notes.. then looking up as Master Gornt asks His question.. softly inquiring~
but to whose idea of Gor, Master? one feels that perhaps Gor may be considered different for everyone..

Gornt~~~ Mine either ~smiling~
but how many do participate in some form of BDSM

Rollo the Ax~~~ I may be wrong, but two of the most common or glaring points that the two disagree on are 1. the slave or sub setting ANY limits...( totally against the Gorean concept )...and 2. the acceptance in BDSM of male submission...once again, almost totally against the basic gorean concept.... there well may be many more, but those 2 alone are almost * make or break * issues.... or so most ppl think.....

Phen~~~ Captain I agree as is the same with religions but with talking understanding can be reached. Though now I'm a little lost what is it we are trying to actually achieve take slaves from BDSM or work something out with DM?*confused look*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~shutting up.. shaking head no on both questions asked~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~hands flat on her thighs~*~ as much as shirin would like that, she does not think she could truly live gor 24/7

desiree{Algernon}~~~ this one would love to become more active in the Gorean group here in the city where she lives.....
and yes....she does hope to someday...and yes...she does practice BDSM also

Lemuel~~~ ~nods to the Senior Captain~ Aye Rollo, and then there is the "pain for pleasure" thing too. Not Gorean at all.

Stavros~~~ ~looking to Lemuel~ you mean the slaves don't like to be whipped... LOL

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~body straightening as Master Lemuel speaks.. looking to the whips.. then shifting on heels.. eyes lowered.. a tremor goes through her body~

Phen~~~ *Smiles to Gornt* I like the philosophy that is described in the books and try to live by them though I don't wave good bye to Bolt when He leaves as He flys off on a tarn*smiles* Though also all the philosophies etc in the books are from earth and its many cultures anyway*S*

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling~ some do Stavros
~pinching the bottom of Mine~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay folks, I may well be stepping right into a big wet pile here, but to * MY * thinking... I believe that those folks that *say* that they LIVE the Gorean lifestyle in RT, are deluding themselves..they may * wanna be * or * wanna think * it, but in todays society, there ani't NO WAY !!!! it is a mind trip and a wish... Now BDSM, those folks on the whole CAN do most of their stuff in RT, sooooo ??? and for BDSMers, they may well think that Goreans that SAY they life it, are over the top, hard core, and wackos... LOL..LOL.

Gornt~~~ nawwwwwwwwwwwww they wouldn't say that about Us would they Rollo?

Stavros~~~ LMAO @ Rollo.. Wackos... LOL!!!!

Gornt~~~ Gor is BDSM to extreme
sorta like ESPN2

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ Aye Captain, it's just not possible to live like a Gorean r/t with all the laws we have.

Phen~~~ *Laughs* Captain you say things so eloquently...I think the ppl who live it Rt are really living BDSM with a few chosen Gorean words thrown in that's all...Though I also think Gor can and does spice up ones Mmmmmm sex life so to speak.

Stavros~~~ ~rubbing my whiskers on my chin~ well I've never looked at it that way before Gornt.. LOL

desiree{Algernon}~~~ ahhhh..so the coming together of BDSM and Gor?

Stavros~~~ des.. that would be the day!! LOL

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. hey folks, I only call um like I see um... and what I said is really only My own opinion... life styles are like religions... everybody else figures that THEY are right, and the rest of us are WRONG....LOL..LOL..the things that we have lost in todays society are many of the things that many are looking for here on-line Gor, or in the BDSM lifestyle... so in a way, we are ALL right... and ALL wrong....LOL.

desiree{Algernon}~~~ *smiling* @ Master Stavros....it could happen *laughing*

desiree{Algernon}~~~ does Someone have to be right..and Someone have to be wrong?
Could it be that when in Gor act as in Gor...and if One's travel takes them to another site...then They should be respectful of the rules of that site whether it be a Gor site or a BDSM site?

Stavros~~~ I look at this from my younger years as like playing D&D with a twist of sex.. LOL
Damn.. I wish I knew about GOR then!!! LMAO!!!

inara{G}t~~~ *nods to desiree* This one participates in both BDSM and Gor.......*grins* Of course she plays vampire as well.....it's good to be well rounded and diversified. *grinning.*

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling and pinching her for TMI~

inara{G}t~~~ *laughs* Of course if it wasn't for the internet, this one wouldn't have had any idea of either anyway. So guess it's befitting that she can only participate here as well.

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ As the Captain said, it's like a religion to many PPL and they won't tolerate other *faiths*
The buhdists have a saying about god being like a mountain and there are many paths to the peak. ~G~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~winks to inara~*~ shirin would still be clueless if it wasn't for this evil evil hunk of plastic and wire, hehehehehehee

inara{G}t~~~ *grins at Master Stavros*

inara{G}t~~~ *jumps at Master's pinch and grins at shirin nodding.*


Books by John Norman

Stavros~~~ ~looking to Phen~ Oh reallly!??? would you care to elaborate on that.. I'd like to spice it up at home.. ~chuckling~

Phen~~~ *Winking to Stavros* Depends has she read any of the books? That's a good start...

Lemuel~~~ ~laughs~ John Norman wrote a whole book on spicing it up at home, Stavros. It's called "Imaginative Sex", but it's hard to find.

Gornt~~~ well I have read almost 1 thru 8 now and Mine would flip out if I suggested she read one much live it

Stavros~~~ Lemuel.. If someone has it can they send it to me... Please.. LOL.. wanting to spice it up at home would be fun!

Lemuel~~~ ~shrugs~ I've tried to get My wife interested as well, without much success. She did read the first book in the series though.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~giggles at Master Stavros~*~

inara{G}t~~~ *grinning to herself* It seems many of us have a significant other that does not share our enthusiasm for D/s or Gor.

Phen~~~ *Laughing at Gornt's words* She wouldn't have to go to the extreme Gornt just a bit of role play here and there that's all*S*

Lemuel~~~ If I had an extra copy I'd be willing to, but I've only got the one and last time I looked it was selling for over $300 at the online used bookstores.

Gornt~~~ you ain't just whistling Turia My girl

inara{G}t~~~ *grins at Master Lemuel* Make copies?

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~chin drops~*~ oh my, Master Lemuel, guess shirin will never be reading that book

Lemuel~~~ ~wagging a finger at the kajira~ Now that would be illegal, girl.

Gornt~~~ there websites that have the Norman books on them but it is hard to read a book on the monitor when One is on the Throne

Phen~~~ Ohhh I'll have to go and look for it they are pretty easy to come buy over here about 9 dollars Aus...Bolt's words that last part*S*

Gornt~~~ send Me a case then Phen

inara{G}t~~~ *tries to look serious at Master Lemuel, whispering* But You rarely get in trouble unless You sell it....*biting bottom lip trying not to grin*

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL..LOL.. Remember folks, Ar, like Rome, was not built in a day..... if your * other * or partner doesn't accept Gor or its ways today, keep trying, and maybe next week, month,..ect. ... the * trick * is to lead them to it, without force feeding them... open calm, rational discussions with an eye to SLOWLY converting them... that course is usually the best and wisest.... ANYTHING worth having is worth waiting for..... LOL.

Lemuel~~~ ~winking at inara~

Lemuel~~~ ~grins, nodding~ Aye Captain, slow and steady wins the race.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~nods knowing Master Rollo's words to be true~*~ only took a girl about 6 months for her Husband to find her submissive side quite enjoyable, hehehehehe, but then He picked up a whip and she ran, hehehehehehee

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL..LOL.. Lemuel, I had no idea that the book was that much... $300 for * imaginative sex * ???? LOL.. no wonder I still don't have one...LOL.. all the others( except the newest ).. perhaps y'all could also get some ideas from the two non-gorean books... Time slave, and Ghost dance... both also deal with the sexual slavery issue, but not in a Gorean content....

Stavros~~~ ~looking to Rollo~ I'm going to Borders book store right now.. ~jotting them down~ LOL

Lemuel~~~ ~nods to the Captain~ Aye, I've been trying to fill out a second set and thought I'd check the non-Gor titles and was shocked that it was priced so high used.

calia{GS}~~~ *~whispering to Master Stavros~* eeeebay

Lemuel~~~ ~grins at calia~ Or http://www.abebooks.com

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~whispering softly~.. or.. abebooks.com

Phen~~~ Does anybody know the price of Time Slave??? I saw it the other day for 7 dollars?

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Master Lemuel's words.. then lifting the rence paper to hide reddened cheeks~

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling, thinking great minds think alike~

calia{GS}~~~ *~giggling at the lil echo~* smiling warmly to Master Lemuel and beautiful jasma,nodding...~* .....making notes now too...*s*

Stavros~~~ ~glancing up at calia~ thank you my sweet slave ~then pointing to my boots~ ~grinning~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL.. well, Lemuel, I have never even seen a copy... in RT, to buy.... of Imaginitive Sex...LOL.. so I guess I have been lucky...LOL.. cause I'd want it....LOL.. used book stores, Ebay, any of the on-line places I guess would work for looking for the books...

Gornt~~~ Borders does carry them in stock I have checked both of them

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ the copy of Time Slave that this one is getting, Mistress is $5.89 with shipping and handling included

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ Both "Time Slave" and "Ghost Dance can be found at a pretty reasonable price online. A few dollars US.

Rollo the Ax~~~ That is an average to good price, Phen... for here in Oz...

Phen~~~ *Smiles to jas* Well I wouldn't make much of a profit on that one then*L*

Phen~~~ Thank You Captain *smiles*

Stavros~~~ ~stroking the slaves curls, then looking up to the crowd~ well I need to get my hand on that book Lemuel.. LOL

Stavros~~~ not tryin to scare you away Lemuel.. I'm not a thief in R/T.. LOL I'd be in prison already if I was.. LMAO!!!

calia{GS}~~~ ~*blushing,calia's eyes lower~* biting into her lips...
whispering to Him,masssses of ways to get His hands the book *giggling*

Lemuel~~~ ~grins~ Just did a search on ABE and the price has come down a lot since I last checked. There's one for $50 (US) and a couple for $70 (US).

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~cheeks still reddened.. she looks to Master Lemuel.. smiling softly then nuzzling cheek to His thigh~

Gornt~~~ all this talk of sex
~hands moving on inara~

Stavros~~~ ~looking to the slave calia with a raised eyebrow, then back up at my purse~ If I'm a Thief.. I don't spend money to get things.. I just get them.. LOL

inara{G}t~~~ *grins hearing Master Stavros, wiggling against Master's hands.*

Gornt~~~ I have been known to do the same thing at sea Stavros

Stavros~~~ really Gornt.. LOL I didn't know that you Warriors did that.. LOL

Phen~~~ Stavros I think the Caste of Warriors call it raiding*smiling*

inara{G}t~~~ *trying to look all shocked*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well, folks ..... I guess that we have covered about everything for today.... so, I'll call the forum to a close... jasma, the only topic that didn't get covered was a question about changing Castes...we'll carry it over for next week...

Stavros~~~ ~chuckling at Phen~ the difference between Warriors and Thieves is that, Warriors let you know their going to raid and pillage, and the Thieves you don't have a clue...LOL

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ Thanks for hosting another fine forum, Captain.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~hearing Master Rollo.. nodding head~.. aye Master.. a girl will put that on the top of the agenda to mention it next week..
thank You, Master..

Gornt~~~ Great discussion

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~smiles~*~ thank You Master Rollo ~*~lowers her hazel eyes~*~

Stavros~~~ ~noddin my head to Rollo~ Thank you Captian.. very good discussion...

desiree{Algernon}~~~ ~softly smiling~
thank You Master Rollo

Phen~~~ Thank You Captain I have really enjoyed tonight now I'm off to the bookstore*Smiles*

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL..LOL.. well folks, that seems to be that again for another week... LOL.. Be Well, all...