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Ghosting/Being in two chat venues at once A slave's self-pleasuring/Gorean or?


Ghosting/Being in two chat venues at once

Shadowglade~~~ OK, Sorry I ran a bit lat all, this forum is behind schedule...so, as of this moment, this forum is officially open....any with a topic PM it to Me....let's show some respect to the person doing the scribing and keep greetings to a minimum, and as most know, there will be no public serving done during the duration of the forum....

Shadowglade~~~ Ok, the first topic of discussion is "ghosting, or someone with more than one browser open in more than one chat at a time....
Who want's to start?

Mandi~~~ This practice is annoying in Free, and completely unacceptable in slaves.

Kyoto~~~ That could be a problem if they are being themselves in both places... but some people can type well enough to do it...

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to the first topic brought up.. softly~..
for a slave.. that's a no no, Master.. if begging to depart.. a slave isn't to ghost in the room after being given permission to leave.. nor is one permitted to be in more than one chat at a time.. if a slave is in one Gor room, serving, etc.. her focus.. or his focus as the case may be.. is only to be on that one chat.. not more..

Shadowglade~~~ actually Mandi, it is against protocol for slaves....and damned rude in the Free...in My opinion...

Phen~~~ *Nods to the Captain* Well Captain it was only worked out by accident that it can be done and with discussing it is like a two edged sword ones that didn't know it could be done will now but I do feel that something should be done if a slave is caught doing it...And as for what Mandi said a Free should have more respect for Their own character then to belittle themselves to such behaviour...

sorcha{HoS}~~~ *lol*....before this one came to Gor, being in two or more rooms was a challange to keep up with story lines etc, she even knew of one that managed in rp rooms that played 4 different characters....
...since she has been upon Gor even when she was Free, she never chatted in 2 places....and as slave..*lol*...she couldn't manage it at all...and this one is a fairly good typist...

Phen~~~ sorcha do you have Q?*luaghs* How many conversations do you have going on if you do?*smiles*

Mandi~~~ The real technical difficulties with urts and moatings and so forth, and genuine posting lag can get confusing enough for Many, without intentionally deceptive use of multiple windows.

sorcha{HoS}~~~ *nodding in agreement with Mistress Phen....*...this one belives also that it belittles ones "character/self" by gaming in such a way...how can one give and be respectful to O/others if one cannot respect oneself????

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Mistress Mandi's words.. nodding head in agreement~

Kyoto~~~ To be honest, I have trouble keeping up with the conversations in the room and the occasional whispering that takes place... to chat in two different rooms would tax me beyond reason.

Phen~~~ Also it's just bad manners when someone is giving their full attention to one and they just disapear but are still there...If a girl is moated or has been booted for whatever reason isnt she supposed to post an apology at least on the boards for what happened?

sorcha{HoS}~~~ actually Mistress...sorcha no longer has Q..*lol*..when she left Gor during her pregnancy she deleted it from her system...she found it annoying to use anyway...*lol*..to damn distracting, as for when she had msn before her departure...she very rarely held more than one discussion...she felt it rude to those she spoke with..~ss~...

Phen~~~ But it may not just be to chat it maybe a way to escape the room but still stay in poolside...

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~listens, nodding in agreement~*~ one can only serve best is her attentions are fully focused and scattered all over the place

Mandi~~~ Lady, why would O/one do that? The Free may just leave when They choose, and the slaves may request to leave, and We would not demand that they get out of Poolside, once given leave to leave.

Phen~~~ *Nodding to the girl sorcha* I was meaning you would do it girl just that it can be done...

galah{RA}~~~ this one also did the same sorcha upon her return to gor...she wishes for what time she has online, to donate it to her home, without distractions

Shadowglade~~~ Well all these things are true, but who has an idea about how we can change it? Do we all become cybercops, busting people who either don't grasp that it's rude, and therefore unallowed?? or what?

Phen~~~ Mandi well you know the circumstances of what such disapearance I'm not sure if the girl was afraid of being tied to the post or what happened as I have not spoken to her since that's why I thought something on the message board would suffice...

Emerald Forest~~~ *this is VT Shadowglade and I do not think that there is anyway that You or anybody else can do to stop it*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~shakes her head~*~ no Master Shadowglade, shirin believes just by us all discussing it and bringing it out into the light and if we all use good judgement it can be detered

Savatage~~~ *puts on his cybercop badge*
*S*

sorcha{HoS}~~~ *lol*..apologies Mistress...see....tis hard enough trying to figure out the tones of what is said, let alone having multiple conversations etc...*g*.... .aye galah...tis exactly how sorcha feels, she is so happy that she has returned HERE to GS, upon Gor...*ws*..she has no desire to be anywhere else when online unless of course she is surfing or researching...

Kyoto~~~ I don't know that there is any real way it can be controlled, it's a matter of honor, for the person to police themselves.

Phen~~~ Shadow I do not feel that it can be changed...But what I feel is if a girl is caught doing it than a suitable punishment be set and if they are truely innocent of technical problems just an apology posted on the board would be sufficient. Though these are only suggestions...

Mandi~~~ ~~listening to shirin's comment and agreeing with Sholgar's property~~
I would hope it can be minimized that way, shirin.

Shadowglade~~~ *hearing both EF, and Kyoto's words, and nodding* I agree....there's nothing TRULY that can be done, and I would deign to state that we've ALL been guilty of it at least once...how many of us turn our Q, MSN, Yahoo messengers...etc. off when We come into the Tavern? Anyone? anyone who isn't a slave anyway???

sorcha{HoS}~~~ this one believes that it comes down to respect of oneself and of others...she doesn't think it can really be policed as such, apart from ip numbers perhaps...*shurgs*

Emerald Forest~~~ *I am sure that a lot of you have more friends and not just in GS,what happens if they whisper to you to talk to you,then what do you just ignore them because you are in GS or what*

aandra{Cernus}~~~ *tries to catch up on the discussion, seeking to learn....*

Dak~~~ maybe it would be good , for all to post to GS, their ip's, so it can be checked, with the payed icons they are hidden !I don'y have a problem with My ip being listed with GS !!

Phen~~~ Shadow Q and messenger as well as whispers are not the issue I feel it's the double browser and ghosting in GS that is and the protocols that govern our home....

Emerald Forest~~~ *but I think if a Free is doing it and can keep up to the conversation and not lack in it I don't see any problems with it,but when They are not replying to people in GS then it does become a problem*

Kyoto~~~ That's too much like a police state, Dak... I think people should be allowed to stand up for thmselves.

Mandi~~~ Well stated, Phen.

Shadowglade~~~ I would agree, Phen, but as was said, and I agree with, there's little We can do about it in truth....Are We to whip every slave who may be too new to realize to post on the boards if she get's booted? Are We to ghost Ourselves to make sure no one's ghosting?? or station spys all over Gor to watchdog? I guess if someone's ghosting, they'll eventually get caught, and We can deal with it then...

Dak~~~ honest people shouldn't object , to this !

Shadowglade~~~ are You implying, Dak, that anyone who enjoys their privacy is DIS-honest???

Kyoto~~~ And then there are the times that someone leaves the room but their icon is still showing it... I saw it happen with an advisor to the council recently... I hope this person wasn't spying and it was only a computer error...

Emerald Forest~~~ *a lot of times I have seen an icon stay on the list for a while after they have logged out Kyoto*

Kyoto~~~ I object to it, Dak... and I consider myself to be very honest... brutally so at times. But I do not want to have my ip posted like a mug shot in the post office.

Dak~~~ nay, just if it's an issue , honest people will have nothing to hide !

Emerald Forest~~~ *I Myself have a couple of times visited another Gorean sites while in GS,but at the time there was no one in here*

Shadowglade~~~ I don't remember it being the issue Dak...*shrugs*

Dak~~~ I just think it would level the playing field for those , that don't have icons

Dak~~~ it's being discussed !

Mandi~~~ Aye, Emerald Forest, and I will read boards and email when I come in and there is Noone else in here, returning every couple of ehn, hoping Others will arrive. Sometimes when One is in here, Others will arrive in a few ehn. Sometimes not.

Shadowglade~~~ if anyone without an icon feels disadvantaged, in My opinion, they can do what the rest of us did...buy a membership...

calia{GS}~~~ slips in quietly,from cool dank kennels,...calia sinks on slave furs...to listen...and learn.....

Kyoto~~~ Dak, some of the people who pay for an icon do so to protect their ip... I've paid for a lifetime myself... if the ones without icons want to level the playing field, let them pay to support the site.

Emerald Forest~~~ *true Mandi and since this is the only time that I get sometimes online I do My other things as well*

Shadowglade~~~ it is indeed Dak, but the topic IS ghosting...now, does anyone have any more comments about this topic before I move on to the next?

Emerald Forest~~~ *so as long as You do not ignore people in GS I don't see any harm in it for the Free*

Shadowglade~~~ Well, EF, even if you manage it...it IS a bit rude...because I don't believe anyone can spread their attention that thin, and still give enough to any of the people with whom they speak...*shrugs* and we restrict the slaves from doing it....and though the Free are Free, and can do what they please, they should indeed be respectful to a certain degree of those who are not free...or at least to the people behind the screen who represent those slaves who are not allowed to do so...privilege of the Free, I agree, but still edging on dis-respect...

Emerald Forest~~~ *what You speak is true Shadowglade but what about Your other friends that You have online,do You just ignore them while in GS?*

calia{GS}~~~ ..*~ a smile paints broad across calias lips as she hears the words of her Owner...~* - demure eyes remain lowered , listening...respectfully.....

Emerald Forest~~~ *Kyoto as You can see Phen left 7 ehns ago but her name is still in the list*

Emerald Forest~~~ *nope it just went LOL*

Shadowglade~~~ often EF, if I have friends I have not seen for a while, and I wish to speak to Them, I will not come into GS....there are many times I will merely lurk on the outskirts of poolside, on Q and talk to those folks...and if Im IN GS at the time, I explain to them that I'm a little wrapped up in GS right now, and that I'll get back to them when I have a moment or ten...

aandra{Cernus}~~~ *nods agreement with Master Shadowglade, smiling softly*

Emerald Forest~~~ *I try to do the same thing Shadowglade but most of My friends are like Me,they only have a bit of time to talk and then they have to go*

dina{HoS}t~~~ lowering her long sooty lashes... rubs smooth cheek against His thigh... as she listens *~

galah{RA}~~~ in the case of a slave, she can be in a private room speaking with others, friends or other slaves, until she is needed and called to the tavern...this one may be in a private room and doing other puter business, but once she comes through the doors of GS, everything and anyone else is set aside for later

Shadowglade~~~ understandable EF....and in such cases...an e-mail will suffice...or maybe staggaring time...one night be on Gor...another night...be elsewhere...*shrugs* and plan it out so your friends know when and where to find you...

Emerald Forest~~~ *but the trouble with that Shadowglade is that I don't even know where and when I am on LOL*

calia{GS}~~~ nodding as calia listens for galah..~*
including icq,emails,pm's....etc...slave gives her complete attention to serve,when in GS

galah{RA}~~~ many times this one has whispered to a Free in the tavern and ask if her help is needed...that is to those that she knows does not mind being whispered to....same thing goes if a girl is in GS alone, she will work on other things until someone else comes in, then all is set aside

Emerald Forest~~~ *but enough about this discussion Shadowglade go on with Your next topic S*

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A slave's self-pleasuring/Gorean or?

Shadowglade~~~ ok, next topic is this.....what are the views on a slave masturbating for a Free's pleasure...and would this be considered breaking a girl's restrictions if she's fully restricted?

dina{HoS}t~~~ giggling softly. twirling mari's hair . she turns back to listen *~

Emerald Forest~~~ *in the books,sometimes the Master only has to touch a slave and she would pleasure herself and I don't think that she would be breaking her restrictions as she would not pleasuring the Master herself*

galah{RA}~~~ this one's Master says that was never done in the books, but it seems to be done much online...this is another one of those hard issues to deal with like the same sex issue was...this situation happened only last week, a restricted girl was told to please herself so that he may watch

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~listens to see what the Free think first, winks at galah~*~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~softly with respect~.. jaz's opinion on the masturbation issue.. if a girl is fully restricted.. to jaz.. this as well would include not being permitted to masturbate for another Master's pleasure..
in a more broad sense.. in the books.. it was the Master's that wish to fully enhance the girl's feelings.. to bring them to slave orgasm.. not for the girl to bring herself to orgasm.. and many times girls were either binded by fibre or even just bound by the Master's will in order not to touch herself.. to this one.. it don't seem like it would be considered Gorean for One to wish a girl to *pleasure herself* for a Master.. at least not to where it is done publicly..
~lowering dark pools.. and listening~

shirin{SholGar}~~~ really Master Forest? ~*~puzzled~*~

Shadowglade~~~ Ok, here are MY thoughts on this subject...first My view of a slave masturbating for a Master's pleasure....I think it is acceptable, though it wasn't in the books, because it never states in the books that it was NOT done...as for a restricted gir doing it....*chuckle* Well, I used that loophole once, and got the girl good and punished...however, My feelings on it are these: If a slave is restricted, her Master SHOULD be very specific about her restrictions...if He is vague about them, then it is His own fault if Another finds away to bypass them without "breaking" them....My dina here, is fully restricted from serving Any but Me sexually...and Masturbation is obviously sexual...thus...were she ordered to do so, and did so, she would be punished...

galah{RA}~~~ many girls was also beaten for doing such....as the example brought up in slave class of the girl put in a box as punishment, clawing at the box as she was not allowed to please herself, a slaves only thing in life is to please her Master, not please herself

Kyoto~~~ Hmmm, that topic might be expanded to include the dancing some girls do, they seem to be masturbating on the pole.

aandra{Cernus}~~~ *agrees with mistress jasma*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Master Forest.. not having read anything about a slave masturbating herself..~..

Emerald Forest~~~ *I mean that she would reach slave orgasm shirin*

Tolnus~~~ My thought would be the restriction was placed so the slave could not offer sexual pleasure to Anyone but Him so Yes it would be breaking her restrictions because the Free would be getting sexual pleasure from it..

Emerald Forest~~~ *and jasma S*

Emerald Forest~~~ *only if He did it to Himself Tolnus LOL*

galah{RA}~~~ some girls would be told to remain very still while her Master did whatever he wished, the girl was not allowed to move at all until told otherwise, hard as it maybe, she had to obey....to make sure, many times a girl would be bound so she could not touch herself or him....so this could be an issue, for what one Master might find pleasurable by watching a girl, another Master would find it a beating offense

Tolnus~~~ Aye that is true EF....but if the Free wasn't getting sexual pleasure why ask in the first place?

Shadowglade~~~ indeed....so in truth, the only control We Free have, is over Our Own slaves...*shrugs* and as far as I know this issue has never been discussed by any of the former, or current Councils....

shirin{SholGar}~~~ yet the slave only long for the touch of (her) Master, not her own hands to find pleasure in....

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ aye, Master Kyoto.. but a girl isn't to masturbate fully in a dance to where she orgasms.. even the tile dance.. very explicit of a girl's need.. torment.. touching her body.. but it's used to entice the Master for Him to take her and use her fully.. as a needs dance is as well.. and Winyela when she danced the pole dance in Blood Brothers of Gor.. she also worked herself up in great need.. then afterwards.. the Red Savages ignored her and went back to their own business.. she wasn't used.. touched.. anything..
~looking to Master Shadowglade as He speaks.. dropping liquid gems quickly. ~

galah{RA}~~~ many a slave must beg for release before doing so....this pleasuring of oneself seems to this one like a contradiction to the books....as for dancing, this one thinks her dance should stir the Masters desire, and also stir her own, but she certainly should not be releasing during the dance

Emerald Forest~~~ *because He might enjoy it,but I think a true Gorean Master would not ask of it,He would rather have her to Himself and if not her someone else,I Myself think that this has come in from BDSM when other's have come into here*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ Master Forest.. may this one inquire as to which book that was in?..

Kyoto~~~ I was just thinking, if a girl was restricted to only give pleasure to her Master and was told by another to masturbate, then she is pleasuring herself, not her Master...

galah{RA}~~~ good shirin, that is the truth of it all, a girl wishes to please her Master, she wishes his touch, not her own

Tolnus~~~ Aye Kyoto..then that would be breaking her restrictions...would it not?

Shadowglade~~~ *shrugs* I see room for artistic license in online Gor...granted, don't go so far out of the theme that you're changing what it's about, but at the same time, it seems to Me, that there HAD to be a Master here and there, that for whatever reason COULDN'T use His slave sexually...perhaps from a wound, and the only way He would get satisfaction was for her to touch herself...*shrugs* it's even implied in the books(so I hear) that there were Gay men on Gor....

Emerald Forest~~~ *Beasts of Gor jasma but do not ask Me where LOL*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ if shirin was asked, that given she wasn't restricted, Master Kyoto, she'd beg and beg and beg that You touch her, she doesn't wish to touch herself...but if You insisted, guess she would have to obey....

galah{RA}~~~ this one also thinks it may have come from bdsm, but even they tie up their girls so they can't move....perhaps its a feminist thing? heheheheheheheeee women that think they don't need men

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~lifting eyes as Master Kyoto speaks~.. with respect Master.. but if a Master tells a slave that's restricted to masturbate.. is the pleasure for Him as well??? in turn.. although she'd be pleasuring herself in front of One not her Owner.. she's still.. in jaz's opinion.. being used sexually.. even if the other Master's hands or any part of His body touching hers..

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ thank You, Master Forest

jaz read through Beasts of Gor, and did come across a passage where a slave did orgasm without having a touch of a Master, in an intimate sense, but it still had nothing to do with the girl touching herself.. masturbating.. for One's pleasure.. in fact.. the way the passage read.. Tarl wasn't pleased about it.

Her thighs were clenched fiercely. “I am going into orgasm,” she cried out, frightened. I held her, as she gasped and wept in my arms. I had not even entered her, or touched her intimately. She looked up at me, tears in her eyes. Angrily I thrust apart her legs. “Forgive me, Master,” she wept “It was the thought of being branded.”
“So, Slave,” I said, “you want the iron?”
“Yes, Master,” she wept.
“If I should have you in the south,” I said, “I would have you soon marked.”
“Yes, Master,” she wept. “Yes, Master!”
“Serve me now, Slave,” I said.
“Yes, Master,” she cried. “Yes, Master!” she cried.
Beasts of Gor, page 229

Kyoto~~~ Listening to jaz and nodding
I think what I meant supported that, just looked at it with a different angle.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~gazing softly to Master Kyoto.. ~.. one apologizes Master.. she read Your wording incorrectly..

Kyoto~~~ It's ok jaz, I'm a bit off kilter tonight, so I may not be saying what I mean.
Grinning at her

galah{RA}~~~ lets remember here that so many slave being restricted is not much from the books, it was a rare time that a slave could not be used by others, it was much more common for a Master to share his slave with his brothers or comrades

Emerald Forest~~~ *they might not have been restriced in the books galah but the owned slaves were still not to be used without the Master's permission*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~smiles to galah~*~ shirin likes to share, hehehehe

Tolnus~~~ galah but restrictions can be placed for many reasons

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~winking to the Master.. then going back to catch up on the scribe work~

galah{RA}~~~ this all goes back to that restriction topic, just how restricted is restricted...alright to lap? while in a lap, a Master fondles a boob, is that breaking ones restrictions?

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to galah~.. but there are also many instances where a Master would not share His slave with Others.. as well as put them in iron belts so they wouldn't be used..

galah{RA}~~~ but a girl tells a Master she is restricted, so does the Master know just what that means? each girl is restricted differently perhaps but a Master questioning one about details suddenly finds himself being labelled a HNG

Kyoto~~~ It's up to her own Master to set those limits... and if the boob is fondled illegally, she can and should say so...

calia{GS}~~~ *~happily listening,glad one has no restrictions~* shaking her head softly,as calia's smiles...
confusion, and perception playing a huge part on opinions...

galah{RA}~~~ jaz, this one knows there was restricted slaves in books tooo, but certainly not the percentage that are online...online Masters do not like to share what is theirs heheheheheheheheee most book Masters don't have that high of regard for their slaves

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~listening to galah~*~ shirin is restricted from alcoving (going private with a Master) and furring (having cyber sex with a Master)...sex being her Master's lil wet treasure between her thighs...so that would be off limits to any touching...but in lapping all the rest of her body is up for grabs, hehehehehehee

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ aye galah.. this one does agree.. just saying that it did happen.. as well as many times.. if one would ask to use a particular Master's slave.. usually permission was granted..

"We took her without your permission," said Bran Loort.
"In this," said Thurnus, "you have committed a breach of code."
"It does not matter to me," said Bran Loort.
"Neither a plow, nor a bosk, nor a girl may one man take from another, saving with the owner's saying of it, quoted Thurnus.
pages 227-228, Slave Girl of Gor

"What have we here!" cried a man cheerfully.
"Slaves!" cried others.
"Hold," said I. "We are honest men, and are not thieves. Release them."
The man loosed the hair of the girls. Swiftly they knelt, frightened.
"These girls," said I, "belong to Imnak."
"He is a red hunter," said a man.
"He is one with us," I said.
There was an angry cry. I drew my blade. "None may use them without his permission," I said. "I shall maintain discipline, if need be, my comrades, by the blade.
page 174, Beasts of GOR

It is common Gorean hospitality to offer the use of one's slaves to guests, if they should find them attractive.
page 174, Fighting Slave of GOR

"These girls may be exchanged among the men, but commonly they are not. Most masters are rather possessive about their slaves, particularly if they are fond of them."
page 209, Guardsman of GOR

"You are not an Alar," he said. "I will take her."
"No," I said.
"This is our camp," he said.
"It is my slave," I said.
"Give her to me," he said. "I will give her back to you happier, and with only a few bruises."
"No," I said.
"In the camp I do what I wish," he said.
"I doubt that that is always the case," I said.
He stood up. I, too, stood up. He was a bit shorter than I, but was extremely broad and powerful. It is a not uncommon build among Alars.
"You have taken food here," said Sorath.
"And I have been pleased to have done so," I said. "Thank you."
"You are a guest here," said Sorath.
"And I expect to receive the respect and courtesy due a guest," I said.
"Let him have her for a few Ehn," suggested Hurtha.
"He has not asked," I said.
"Ask," suggested a fellow to Sorath.
"No," said Sorath.
page 51, Mercenaries of Gor

Shadowglade~~~ galah, any smart Master will not ask if a girl is restricted, He will ask if restricted, what ARE the restrictions....which the girl should know her Master's exact words....

galah{RA}~~~ that seems to be a more resonable restriction shirin than what many have...for slaves soooooo desire to be touched and many slaves are restricted to even being touched by any other than her Master...unless her Master was around alot, this one thinks that the slave would soon lose slave belly

Dak~~~ a slave kneeling properly will give the message if she is restricted

Shadowglade~~~ a girl kneeling properly will give the message if she is restricted...but not all slaves are restricted completely Dak, and not all Master's on Gor are informed enough to know what a Tower slave is as opposed to a slave kneeling nadu

Dak~~~ or at least she is not for sexual use

galah{RA}~~~ Master Dak, that is not a clear way of knowing, for a heavily restricted slave perhaps, but what about one like shirin? how do you kneel shirin? one that was allowed to lap and such, even though not allowed to sex with anyone, could still kneel with parted knees?

shirin{SholGar}~~~ aye ~nods~ one does lose her slave belly, if happened to shirin a while back, she was restricted from lapping and kissing too, so no Masters paid any attention what so ever to the girl and her belly fires did start to die out and she almost left Gor altogether...but then Master SholGar came along and brought her back to life ~*~smiles~*~

Dak~~~ true, *grins*, I must be smarter than most, I picked it up right away !

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin kneels wtih knees spread open and palms down, galah

galah{RA}~~~ some Masters seem to think that a slave has to be well used and often to be kept happy, but this one thinks that even the smallest touches from a Master can mean the most...just serving a Master makes a girls fire burn, but if he should give her a pat on the head or a soft kiss, even a stroke of his manly fingers down her arm can leave a girl breathless

Dak~~~ it at least lets a Master know she is not for full use !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ when jaz was collared to Master Tyrik.. she still knelt in nadu.. the position of tower slave is used for those girls that are usually kept in the cylinders that are considered domestic slaves..
although online.. we use the position to show a girl's white silk status if Tavern owned.. and some personally owned.. it's not that way in the books.. girls were taught to kneel in nadu unless serving before a Free Woman.. as most Men wish their girls to serve that way.. as well as the slaves used in various cylinders of the city..

She had not prepared herself a portion but, after I had been served, had knelt silently to the one side, back on her heels in the position of a Tower Slave, a slave to whom largely domestic duties would be allotted in the Gorean apartment cylinders.
Priest-Kings of Gor, page 45

shirin{SholGar}~~~ aye, sometimes it the small soft touches that makes a girl quiver and tremble more ~*~nodding in agreement with galah~*~

galah{RA}~~~ thank you jaz, that makes it much clearer than this one was stammering about heheheheheheeee

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~chuckling at galah.. ~.. glad one made some sense.. hehehehe

Dak~~~ and kneeling nadu , palms down,, still means the girl is not for sexual use !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~shaking head listening~.. Master Dak.. with much respect.. it never stated in the books that it was a sure sign of sexual use.. when in nadu.. a girl may or may not place palms up.. or down.. placing them up; however, exposing the softness of her palms.. exposing herself in such a way, perhaps is seen as such.. but it never fully stated that.. although it may be a common way of signalling it.. even if a girl's kneeling nadu with palms downwards.. she can express her need in various other ways as well..

She knelt in the position of the Pleasure Slave but her hands on her thighs had unconsciously, pleadingly, turned their palms to me, and she no longer knelt quite back on her heels. It was as though she begged to be allowed to lift and open her arms and rise and come to my arms. But as I looked upon her sternly she turned her plams again to her thighs, knelt back on her heels and dropped her head, holding her eyes as if by force of will fixed on the plastic beneath my sandals.
Her entire body trembled with the ache of her desire.
But she was a slave girl and dare not speak.
I looked down at her sternly. "Look up, Slave Girl," I said.
She looked up.
I smiled.
"To my lips, Slave Girl," I commanded.
With a cry of joy she flung herself into my arms weeping. "I love you, Master," she cried.
Priest-Kings of Gor, page 235

"Kneel," I told her. She knelt.
"Blond," said he, "apparently determined to try to remain frigid, blue-eyed, not yet tamed, an incredible potential for helpless sexual heat, an incredible potential for helpless slave submission, excellent. Do you wish to sell her?"
"Straighten your body, Slave," I told her.
Frightened, Miss Blake-Allen straightened her back, and lifted her head. She knelt back on her heels, knees wide, hands on her thighs. It was the position of the Pleasure Slave. I had taught her the position. It is one of the first things a good-looking woman, fallen slave, is taught on Gor.
Tribesmen of Gor, page53

"Nadu!" he snapped.
She swiftly turned, facing him, and dropped to her knees. She knelt back on her heels, her back straight, her hands on her thighs, her head up, her knees wide.
It was the position of the pleasure slave.
Explorers of Gor, page 77

" Come now, my pretty slaves,' said Ginger, 'kneel straight. Back straight, heads up. Back on your heels there!
Spread those pretty knees. Yes, that is the way men like it. Put your hands, palms down, on your thighs. Good. good.
Excellent!' The girls now knelt in the coffle as pleasure slaves.
Savages of Gor p 155

Position!" I snapped. Swiftly she knelt again, as she had been commanded earlier. "You obey with the alacrity of a slave girl," I observed. "If I do not," she said, "I could be punished as one, could I not?" "Yes," I said, "and would be." I walked about her, examining her, She kept her back very straight, and her head up. I was then again before her. I noted that the palm of her hands, so soft, so vulnerable, had turned on her thighs, so that they faced up. Among slave girls this is a common ways of signalling need, helplessness, a desire to please.
Vagabonds of Gor pg. 209

Immediately I knelt in the position I had learned yesterday, which had been clearly and exactly taught to me, back on heels, back straight, hands on thighs, head up, knees widely opened.
Slave Girl of Gor pg 34

Shadowglade~~~ ok, folks, the forum started late..I accept responsibility for that, now I ask you all, do we wish to continue, so it is an even two ahns...or do we wish to cut it off at it's regular cut off point?

Emerald Forest~~~ *I say cut it off at the regular time as this discussion could go on forever LOL*

Shadowglade~~~ ok, I have ONE vote for stopping, and NO votes for continueing, Im going to stop this forum if no one else responds either way..

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~whispers~*~ shirin says stop Master Shadowglade

Kyoto~~~ Well, I need to be going, so I vote for closing the forum.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ tis whatever You wish, Master Shadowglade.. ~nodding head~

galah{RA}~~~ red light, green light, red light, green light....shall galah post the red light outside the tavern Master Shadowglade? hehehehehehheeeeee

Shadowglade~~~ OK, this forum is officially closed...slaves wishing to leave should do so now....you have five minutes...after which you will be required to beg entry and exit...thanks for the discussion folks...

Kyoto~~~ Thanks SG for running the forum tonight, it was lively.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~*~smiles~*~ thank You Master Shadowglade for moderating the forum tonight

calia{GS}~~~ whispering her thanks to Master Shadowglade for leading forum ...

aandra{Cernus}~~~ Thank You Master Shadowglade for hosting the Forum...*smiling softly*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ thank You, Master Shadowglade for allowing one to participate in the forum to learn..
~hurrying up with the scribe work~

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