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Pertaining to GS Censoring the board

General Amnesty

Pertaining to GS

Rollo the Ax~~~ Welcome everyone to this weeks GS Forum... same rules as always... I wasn't here last week, are there any carry over topics ?? and if not, does anybody have any NEW topic they want to discuss ????

galah{RA}~~~ galah has a topic Master **wiggles excitedly**

Rollo the Ax~~~ well then galah, go for it...we will start with your topic...

Lemuel~~~ ~settles back to listen~

galah{RA}~~~ we all love gorean shores, just look at soooo many here this day....we need suggestions on how to bring gorean shores back to the fun place it use to be....its a problem that needs solving and can only be solved with much thinking but more importantly, doing...what can each of us do to make this a better place?

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ Number one thing is not to get drawn in to arguments with swizzle-sticks...

Mandi~~~ We could take a look at the Gorean calendar and have several festivals on appropriate dates.

galah{RA}~~~ as slaves, its hard to make any kind of changes, but galah herself has come back from a long break away and is determined to be here, bad health and all....seems we all need to make some sacrifices

Errand Knight~~~ agres with Lemuel ...gor is not a place for argements ..that is what eartherns do. Arguements are settled quickly on gor and usually fiercly and finally. Goreans enjoy discussion and in that duiscussion they have a sense of honour..that is they respect and listen, though unlike eartherns do not find the lowest common denominator.

Kayla~~~ Being here counts for alot galah ~soft smiles~

penny{Kyo}~~~ yep, penny agrees.. life is to short for griping, just come in when life permits, have fun, and smile.. it should be simple, not a huge political deal! *cheerful smiles*

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL... a good idea, Lemuel, but for some of us it is against our nature to ignore such folks... I just wish I could say what I want to in less words...LOL...LOL... I always have been a long winded bastard...LOL..

galah{RA}~~~ galah thinks that the message board should be ignored.....seems to be the only place one or two still tries to stir the crap around here....maybe best not to get drawn into it?

Mandi~~~ I think I will sit this one out for a while. I have already spoken up in previous forum meetings.

Robert~~~ ~placing one finger on my nose and pointing to Kayla with the other~ Right..

Errand Knight~~~ two other basics ..our best endevours to be here when we can and secondly to engage in the greater variety of activity which is appropriate to a tavern

Laroona~~~ putting up my hand as I was once a slave here and respect the rules and protocals and am grateful I can visit GS at the appropriate times *S*
I am disgusted to see one or two persons who desire to drag down GS yet those same perons knew the rules and protocols at joining... I watch the boards as GS is still dear to my heart *S*
change will only come if people stay together and unite and ignore the idiots

Kayla~~~ well I have to raise My hand to be included in that Group Rollo... well the part of not being able to ignore very well part *S*

Mandi~~~ Ignore is not a panacea. And is completely ineffectual if not unanimous because some D/dummy always must respond to the Ignoree.

galah{RA}~~~ might others make a more concentrated effort to make a showing of bodies instead of just hands? that would be a great start galah thinks

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Oh, I know what You mean Captain...there are times that I would love to tell some folks just where they could shove their rubbish, but that's just what they want so I try to stay quiet and not give them the satisfaction. ~S~

Laroona~~~ adding often the message boards is the window to the site *S*

penny{Kyo}~~~ the show of bodies can be tricky for some, galah... Master Kyoto and i are almost never online, unless it is for job searching, or the kids using the computer... ideally, family and time with real flesh and blood people should come first, but we'll always love our family here in GS, even if we aren't here as much as we'd like to be..

Kayla~~~ LOL... Well Mandi I guess I will have to be a Dummy ~sad smile~ I hate seeing something I love as much as My Home being dragged through the dung especially over lies

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to galah~ I would love to be here more galah and if I knew there would be others about to have some fun with I think I would.

galah{RA}~~~ **claps lil hands softly at Master Knights response** wooooo hooooo, that would be GREAT!!!!!

Mandi~~~ So much for My attempt to sit this out, galah. The last three times I have entered this Tavern, I have enjoyed Myself to a point, up to the point a Member of the Council publicly whines about twenty eight, then thirty People doing a show of hands on the Boards and complaining of the number that ARE present.
I do not come to the Tavern to hear that nonsense.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, folks, like with old Harry Truman, in GS at least, the buck stops here as far as most folks think, that means that to most folks they feel that it is ole Rollo here that is held to account for ALL of GS. Why, I don't know, but at times I think that some folks hold ME responsible for EVERTHING that goes wrong. I begin to wonder if they think thing like SARS, inflation, and bad hair days are My fault too ??? LOL...LOL..

galah{RA}~~~ galahs biggest problem is time differences, her easiest time to be here would be her eve and that is when all the rest of the world is sleeping heheheheheeee heheheheheee this time of day is often hard for galah and her Master cause of appts, shopping and such

penny{Kyo}~~~ the bad hair days, anyway, Master Rollo... *grinning and winking playfully*

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ I don't blame You for anything Captain. It's all the Priest-Kings' fault.

Errand Knight~~~ the fun it about the rp which is our beloved tavern ....I have come to beleive that when we extend our entertainment of that rp rather than engage in agruemnet rt discussion we at very least reduce the probability of personal attack which has no place ..and if it happens is met by the drawing of steel

Laroona~~~ winks at galah and recalling some of the times we had *S*
often the hardest thing to do is sit on ones hands and not respond to posts on the Boards

Kayla~~~ Rollo You can not control what Others do... Even with new rules and such it is up to them to obey them... It can't be forced

penny{Kyo}~~~ galah, penny is usually online to do reading and such at about 4am her time (it is 8:30pm her time now, i can't do the conversion in my head... lol) so can try to peek in here if that is a time that you are about?

Errand Knight~~~ Lemuel: as a Physican Id prefer to blame the Initiates *winks*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well, I've said it before, and I'll say it again most likely, but if ppl would just worry MORE about what THEY are doing, and less about what the other guy/gal was doing, things would get along...

galah{RA}~~~ maybe everyone is looking at the whos where and not seeing any, turn away and leave, there has to be a first person to be here then it seems that others will come....maybe others need to try and be that lone person in a time or two to see if that works?

Kayla~~~ Well I blame the urts...

penny{Kyo}~~~ galah, excellent plan! all it takes is one person for another to pop in and visit! *grins*

Errand Knight~~~ that is true galah ..I am often elsewhere here ..but will usually come to the tavern if others are here

Errand Knight~~~ Kayla: freeing Port Kar of urts is harder than freeing the tavern of HNG *laffing*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ I've tried that a time or two, galah. I'll sit for a bit and if nothing's happening I'll enter the pit and practice some sparring moves or something. ~grins~ I even went out and bought a whip knife to play with some time. ~chuckles~

Kayla~~~ LOL... the HNG have a purpose S**

galah{RA}~~~ yes penny, it is about the 2-6 am time there that is galahs eve here....there are a few others from down under that wander through but not like it use to be....like you, Master Bolt and Mistress Phen are busy now with lil ones and rt existense so they don't come often anymore....galah thinks one of the biggest problems right now is that all the council seems to be tooo busy with rt to give GS a thought, and without the council, GS lacks leadership

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny agrees, galah, and will try to urge Master Kyoto to slip in here when the rt job search can let go of him for a moment (though sending resumees and surfing placement sites for openings is a full time job)...

galah{RA}~~~ galah has seen time and time again, one captain, any one of the captains come into GS and other patrons come out of the woodwork....but what happens now when all the captains are busy with RT? galah understands that RT comes first by all means, but what will become of GS?

Errand Knight~~~ galah: that is true ..there is a disassociation between councils regular presence here and their role. I see only one member of Council here regularly. That isnt criticism, just fact

Mandi~~~ What is the fundamental (ACTUAL) meaning of the pledge in terms of what rights, privileges, tasks, or responsibilities inure to the Pledged Patron? Other than a greeting order, I would suggest that for Those not Members of the Council, there are None. This might explain some lack of commitment on the part of Some of the Free.
Also, Real Life might explain why Some are not here as frequently or for as long.

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ I try to be here every Monday night and I can commit to at least one other day during the week. It'll do My family good. They got spoiled while I was forced offline a few months back. ~G~

galah{RA}~~~ we also need some new slaves or to get the old ones to come back....the only way to have that happen is to have more Masters in here for girls to serve....and yes, we even have a couple of thralls for serving the FW of GS

Kayla~~~ ~winking at galah~

galah{RA}~~~ Master Rollo, **hoping she don't piss him off as she continues** galah thinks ppl here would rather see you in the tavern than to spend the ahns you do writing letters(emails) and scrolls on the board

Robert~~~ May I interject something and then I will take my leave? ~standing and grabbing my pouch and axe.. sheathing the axe and attaching the pouch to my belt.. ~

Kayla~~~ ~Waiting to hear from Robert expectedly~

Robert~~~ If what you seek is to bring your home to a place of past glories.. then keep your fingers off the quill to the boards and put your asses in the seats of the Tavern.. Fill your home with people and the warmth and glory of the past will return.. keep yourselves in IM's and Message Boards.. and your home will surely die.. ~smiling to everyone~ I wish you all well. and pray Odin will bless your home with those glorious days you seek..

Mandi~~~ Well said, Robert. I wish You well and enough.

Errand Knight~~~ *smiles at Roberts wise words*

galah{RA}~~~ **claps softly once again to Master Robert** oooooohhh soooooo true Master

Lemuel~~~ ~smiles at Robert's words~ Aye, well said.

galah{RA}~~~ sure seems to of gotten quiet all of a sudden...are we all out of ideas on how to improve GS?

Kayla~~~ well there has been many thrown out galah... the thing is to put them in practice... Ignore the best we can the petty stuff.. Be here and Be a presence... Plan an event?... any volunteers?...LOL

Lemuel~~~ ~grins and takes a step back as Kayla calls for volunteers~

Kayla~~~ Lemuel offers first! ~winking at the Captain~...

Errand Knight~~~ galah: I would like to see us broaden the taverns activities ..to often when there are people in the tavern we see a beautiful serve, most often a drink alone, followed by either a return to the seving furs or a hasty departure to an alcove. Havnt seen much use of the pit for games like meat catch or sparring or a host of other possible tavern activity

Lemuel~~~ Nay! I stepped *back*! It was everyone else that was left in front. ~G~

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master EK, just about every time Master Kyoto is here, he plays meat catch... *g* The trick is getting him to stay awake in the evenings to log in and visit... he's snoozing right now... heh, heh...

Stavros~~~ ~nods to EK~ well wasn't meat catch one of Sabre's favorite game... I enjoyed watching the kijara running around in the sand.. It was fun..

galah{RA}~~~ there would be alot of fun stuff that could be done, but gotta have the ppl in the tavern to do these things....galah remembers the times best when Master Rollo would throw ta grapes on the floor and make us slaves roll them with our noses to the far end of the tavern and back again, something of more interest for the slaves and entertainment for the Free, it don't get much better than that

Laroona~~~ maybe a dancing competetion or something other than your normal Festival.. I would offer to be an independant judge as I know so few of the slaves now .. a suggestion only *S*

Laroona~~~ chuckling aye galah

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~nods smiling~ shirin misses playing games and having a good time with the Masters

Lemuel~~~ ~grins~ Good suggestions Laroona and galah.

Stavros~~~ Ya know, I think there was a kajira tasting contest thrown out as an idea at one time.. ~chuckling~

Laroona~~~ I would need permission to enter, or I could do so by email and take my time... maybe also the Free could also test their skills *S*

Errand Knight~~~ one idea would be for the Captains to throw a "getting over the shit" feast in the tavern at a preorganised time. Think of all the fun, food, drink, stories, dancing and pit fun

galah{RA}~~~ galah has been known to play paper rock and scissors in the tavern, even that can be fun, especially when you add in the strip part...although most slaves can only lose once heheheheheheeee

penny{Kyo}~~~ anything with grapes sounds good to penny! yummy yum, yum!

Stavros~~~ ~chuckling at EK~ Ohhh now that would be good, great idea...

Kayla~~~ I think those are great ideas... Lemuel You'll handle that?

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ~giggling hard at galah~ shirin likes that sis, sounds like lots of fun

Kayla~~~ there is something for EK to Organize *S* ~passing out assignments laughing~

Lemuel~~~ ~laughing~ You first Kayla. ~grins~
I was actually thinking EK might volunteer...
~casting a glance at the Physician~

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL.. Not a bad idea, EK....

Kayla~~~ The dance contest ~hmmmmmm ~ looking over the group~

Errand Knight~~~ there ya go Lemueland as keeper of the archives youll probably be the only one left with enough brain cells left to rebuilt the tavern after the feast...a pissed Torvaldslander can sure do some damage!

Kayla~~~ I got Him lined up Lem... He'll organize the "Over the shit" feast S**

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling~
We could also have a fashion show. The kajirae could enter in their most fetching outfits...

galah{RA}~~~ don't look galahs way Mistress Kayla, galah has two left feet heheheheheheee never have been a dancing thing heheheheheee

galah{RA}~~~ how about body painting, each Master body paints a kajira and then a contest to see whos got the best painting? heheheheheheeee

Laroona~~~ looks to galah and laughs .. you do ok with two left feet LOL

Errand Knight~~~ In most paga taverns, the girls wear diaphanous silks. These silks can be worn in many ways. It may be worn on or off the shoulder, with high or plunging necklines, tightly or flowingly, in halters or G-strings, or brief tunics that may be partable or wraparound. Some tunics have a disrobing loop, usually at the left shoulder, where a tug will drop the entire garment to the girl's ankles. Only in the lowest taverns do the girls serve naked. It is also common to bell paga slaves, to make them more appeasing. Most paga girls also have pierced ears now. After the defeat of Turia, ear piercing has spread throughout Gor and has become the new fashion. A parade of slaves commonly takes places in paga taverns and brothels. The paga slaves present themselves one by one, often accompanied by music, for the inspection of the guests. This allows the guests to better decide which kajira they might wish to use in the alcoves later. This may be repeated a couple times during a night so that patrons that enter later can view the kajirae.

shirin{SholGar}~~~ ooooooo wow, shirin really like the idea of parading the slave about ~wiggles thinking "hot damn!"~

Rollo the Ax~~~ EK... that goes both ways... pissed as in pissed off, AND pissed as in pissed drunk...LOL.. hell, if drunk, I might trip and fall on somebody... that could do enough damage...LOL..

Errand Knight~~~ galah: heh..I am!


Censoring the board

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, here is an idea that you all can answer to, and give Me some feeling of if it is good or not... My personal feelings about censorship are strong, yes, even though I have to remove stuff from the board... there are rules, and I have to enforce them... Anyway, if everybody has had such a gut full of the crap on the board, should a NEW rule be added that ANY and EVERY negitive posting be removed ???? It seems like candy coating GS to Me, but hey, I am willing to try almost anything at this point....

Mandi~~~ Rollo, it should not require a babysitter to remember there is a "reset" button on the board.

Mandi~~~ And there is an option to vent then hit it rather than make a foolish bellicose negative post.

Lemuel~~~ ~listening for responses before offering My own~

Kayla~~~ Then You will have a greater responsibility deciding what is negative and what is not Rollo... You handle the brunt of that work except for Gary's full sweeps *ss*...

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny's thought on the boards is that people's true colors show through.. getting embroiled in people's immaturity is not worth the headache... adults who know better should just leave it alone, it is a message board, not a public forum.

Robert~~~ Mandi.. pretend I am stupid for a while.. ahhh.. hell, don't pretend.. LOL.. what is bellicose?? LOL

Mandi~~~ belligerent and argumentative and hostile, all rolled into one. Robert.

Elektra~~~ *Giggles*

Kayla~~~ Normally I would agree penny... But when people are posting things that are being read and are false from the word hello then the record does need to be straightened out or some people will begin to believe the lies...

inez{GS}~~~ *chuckles softly and nods in agreement with Mistress Kayla* a girl was thinking the same thing Mistress Kayla...

Errand Knight~~~ in My view censorship should be based and strictly limited to removal of "flaming".. negative comment should be allowed as long as it doesnt become flaming. Having said that we should remember that goreans by nature are not negative. The first word an Earth baby learns is commonly "no" while the first word a Gorean baby learns is "yes." This reflects a very basic difference in the philosophies of earth and Gor. Earth is based upon the denial of human nature. Gor is based upon its fulfillment.

Kayla~~~ Unless Rollo had replied to the negative I had no idea if He had spoken to Gary or not... I appreciated His words clearing that up and I am sure many felt that way ~smiling at inez~

galah{RA}~~~ agreed Mistress Kayla, galah knows that all to well when one told an outright lie about something she said

Kayla~~~ That is another example of something that should be responded to to keep the record straight *ss* ~smiling at galah~ There are times when reponse is very appropriate and needed

penny{Kyo}~~~ well, in penny's eyes, she knows what she knows, and is insightful enough to know who is "good people", so to speak... *g*.. lies on the boards are obvious lies, and the ones who indulge in falsehoods just show themselves for what they are, liars.

Errand Knight~~~ there are lies and there are differences in perception

Kayla~~~ well penny I would hope people would judge on that way of thinking but not all will sweetie *ss*

Rollo the Ax~~~ That is where My own nature, or ego if you want, gets the better of My mind. I don't mind taking the blame for crap that IS my fault, but I have NEVER just sat back and taken the blame for stuff that is NOT. Maybe I need to be less thin skinned, and not care what some folks say about Me or My actions.... I just don't know...

Lemuel~~~ ~listening and thinking a bit~
I don't think all negative posts should be removed. Any that are blatantly insulting, or otherwise derogatory, yes but if they are stated in a respectful way, no.

Rollo the Ax~~~ That is right, EK... perseption varies from person to person, and depends on each ones past experiences... hell TRUTH is even subjective... what is true to one, may well be only an opinion or idea to another...

penny{Kyo}~~~ Master Rollo, the world is not your fault. Each person should look within themselves every day and just get up, do their best as they move through life, and be able to nod with satisfaction at the end of the day. The rest is just garbage and should be left behind, as life moves on.

Errand Knight~~~ Rollo: I for One have never disagreed with your actions or your right, indeed responsibilty, to take them. I may have different perceptions or views at times and will state them fearlessly but hopefully with honour and respect. You are First Chair, a heavy responsibility which deserves support from all pledged here.

Lemuel~~~ As Kayla said, some posts need to bet set straight, but anyone contemplating a reply to the baords should think long and hard about what they wish to say before hitting the post button. I find it helps Me to write out what I'd like to say with ahead of time, set it aside for a while, then go back and read it to Myself before even thinking about posting it to the board. I often find a better or less offensive way to make My point.

Rollo the Ax~~~ EK, contrary to what some folks think, Rollo does NOT make every rule, or get his way on everything... like any other full captain, I get a vote.. 1 vote, and it is the will of the MAJORITY that prevails... hell, I even vote last so that My position will not possibly sway others... It just bugs the hell out of Me when folks blame others for thinking the same way...... like it is a fault or sin...

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the Senior Captain's words~ I can attest to that. I can think of a few votes that went against the way You would have liked them to Rollo.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay folks, I'll TRY a different tactic or field of fire.... starting today, for as long as I can handle it, * I * Rollo will only answer specific questions, or post announcements on our GS board.... if that will help keep shit calm around here, I'll try it....

Errand Knight~~~ Rollo: I know and respect that .often as Seniour captain You may be required to effect a Council decision which you support only because of the "cabinet principle"


General Amnesty

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, here is an abstract idea. An idea ONLY, and NOT anything that may go any further than an idea... What would folks say to a general Amnesty of ALL people banned from GS for ANY reason... that would be folks that is * dead *, slaves that was FW, that kind of stuff ????? would it be a step forward, or just asking for MORE CRAP ??????

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny thinks amnesty would be a good thing, and hopefully all concerned would be adults and move on, rather than rehash.

talender{D}~~~ ~smiles at Master Rollo liking His idea~

galah{RA}~~~ Master, would this amnesty mean that those that was slaves that are now FW could come back as FW?

kanda{Sg}~~~ *kneels back and just listens..*

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin too likes Your ideas Master Rollo ~smiles nodding~

galah{RA}~~~ galah thinks it be a very good idea, fill up this tavern again and have a fresh start.....everyone makes mistakes, none of us are perfect, well...she knows most aren't perfect....give everyone a second chance again

Errand Knight~~~ Rollo: that is a difficult question for any but a Council member to comment on. I am not in possession of the facts that lead to the dead one or the enslavement of the so say FW. I know that in the latter case the Council did more than thriple back flip with pike before taking its action. I must have been reluctant to take such extreme action and would have had good reason. If the reasons persist why revoke the decision, If they no longer stand or their is a change in attitude, then sure.

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ I think it fits in with the spirit of Your *Getting over the Shit* party, EK. Kind of an olive branch...

Rollo the Ax~~~ ???? galah ??? I guess that you mean if they were FW here, and then became slaves, so can't be FW in GS ??? would it allow them to be FW in GS again ???? Yes....

galah{RA}~~~ some of these ppl have gor in there hearts, and cause they made a mistake when they was new, they are no longer allowed here....say one that was slave then realized she was really a FW at heart, so she had to leave GS to be that FW she really was

galah{RA}~~~ oooohhh yea, the get over the shit party could happen during that week or two of amnesty? heheheheheheheeee heheheheheheee

Laroona~~~ Rollo with respect are you suggesting the "once a slave always a slave" rule could be relaxed for a period of time?

Kayla~~~ I agree give the FW a second chance *S* but the banned and dead???... I really don't think those kind of problems will change... the last time someone came back like that it didn't ~shruggs~ Who knows?

talender{D}~~~ if a slave was killed in a post on the board but not actually in person is she dead?

Errand Knight~~~ galah: and the two unnamed ones cause considerable problems all over Poolside ..but remain becuase they have brought new members ..a business decision by its owner. Given My views about and the owners recent decision making that I may not be too objective in My opinion

Lemuel~~~ ~smiles at Laroona~ I think it means more than a time...
I think it means that You and Moonglow, etc. would be able to enter as FW...
~looks to the Senior Captain for confirmation~

Errand Knight~~~ but there are many others who would benefit by Rollos olive branch so perhaps My view is biased

Laroona~~~ nodds and smiles at Lemuel many know it was GS that was my home many many moons ago.. and still very dear to my heart.. *S*

Rollo the Ax~~~ EK, the Council has never ruled ppl dead or not allowed them back as FW lightly. In each case, there was much debate and decisions before each action... The whole concept is more of a " Hey, everybody can make a mistake, and here is a ONE TIME GOOD DEAL to try again, but if ya screw up again, your ass is out the door so fast, your feet won't even touch the floor " kind of thing....

galah{RA}~~~ those dead or banned could possibly come back to be given another chance? they could always be killed or banned again after the amnesty period and then they can't come back again....just a second chance for ppl, after all, we all have made some big blunders in life, rt and vt....cept for Master Knight that is hehehehehehehee heheheheeeee

Paedur~~~ Commenting on the lines of the discussion.
I personally can see forgiving and forgetting if a mistake is made.
But I do not think forgiveness is due when any O/one purposefully and with maliciousness tried to hurt either this home or any O/one who calls this home.
For pre-meditation, the punishment is much greater than accidental. *S*
Becasue all it does is make the Council look weak, as if this house can only be if they let in everyomne regardless if they care or not.

Errand Knight~~~ Rollo: yes I can see that Captain ...just hate to see people driven away again ..a question of balance, which as i say Council has a better handle on than I

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny thinks it is worth a try.. after all, who is to say whom is to sit in judegment for the mistakes of others...

Lemuel~~~ I disagree Paedur. I don't think it shows weakness at all. It takes great strength to step away from an argument, to let bygones be bygones...

Kayla~~~ I agree Paedur.. Somethings are not so easily forgiven and I fear will be hard for People to forget when the actions have been deliberate to hurt Us and Our Home

Errand Knight~~~ galah: aint you sweet! I wonder at My survival here Myself

Paedur~~~ Chuckles hearing the line "Bring out ya dead" bong !!!!!
If the council did decide to allow this Amnesty, then I think there should be a probationary period.
Not a time to quickly judge, but whoever it is, must be on best behavior.
and I say this becasue this is a business, if this was Gor, then they would be dead, and that would be it. No coming back from the dead. LOL
But understanding that this is a business and it is to make money, then there has to be some leniency, but it can only go so far.
for if they continue to make trouble, then it drives customers to other sites. plain and simple.

galah{RA}~~~ not everyone gets along with everyone else, its easy enough not to speak with those you don't like, well...for the free that is, us slaves gotta like and speak with everyone, like it or not....galah thinks this amnesty thing would do away with the idea of many that GS has become a "clique"

Paedur~~~ I am sorry Lemuel, but I disagree with You.
I can see going the distance to step away and to forgive, Once. to be the better man so to put it.
But there comes a time when that last line will not be crossed, and once it is, then there is no going back, no matter what.
If You do then it is a weakness, becasue then You ar no longer holding Yourself to Your Own Rules and Honors.
I don't disagree that All deserve a chance, but it gets to a time and place when enough is absolutely enough.

Errand Knight~~~ why not invite Them to the "getting over the shit" feast

Kayla~~~ well of course a Council Vote and it is decided....~shruggs~ If it is the will of the Captains then so it will be *S*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye, but people can and do change sometimes. Is it fair to damn them forever for past sins?

galah{RA}~~~ GS has lost some good goreans, they can't come here so they go to some other gor site, okay....they have made elsewhere a new home for them and they have learned alot, so shouldn't they be allowed to come back here even if its only to visit?

penny{Kyo}~~~ penny's thought is this... if a higher being can forgive mistakes, who are we to think that we are higher and mightier? just a thought...

Errand Knight~~~ ...and anyone who misbehaived cauld be dealt with by a pissed Torvaldslander falling over on them... much more final than being used as urt bait

Webmaster~~~ I fear my presence here is still going to hinder an open line of thought and conversation here... I'll take my leave.
For the record, and as I've already told Rollo, I support the Council's decision so please do this with prudence and compassion - in the right porportions *S*

penny{Kyo}~~~ Not that penny personally likes many of those banned through the years, but liking someone and forgiveness are not the same thing.

Paedur~~~ I agree Lemuel.
But I would not forgive a Man who came into My home to hurt My family.
Or Anyone who contrived to hurt My family.
and if they managed to hurt My family, well there is NO fogiveness for that. Not in My book.
But then that is simply My way and Me. *S*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Oh, make no mistake, this kind of action is most assuridly an earthen type of * try again * thing... although, in the books, women moved back and forth from slave to FW and back to slave all the time.... as for dead ??? well, dead is dead in RT, but in VT ???? reality has to sneak up on us every now and then, folks....

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ I understand and respect that, Paedur. And to be honest there are a few that I would just as soon *not* see back......but if We are to offer amnesty it should be to *ALL* otherwise it looks like We are playing favorites...

Phen~~~ Not sure if I have the complete jist of this yet but heres one of my views... there is too much knowledge being used in a strict sence but not in a welcomming or humourous way anymore...

Paedur~~~ Aye, yes Lemuel, if it is offered then it is offered to ALL.
I completely agree.
But if it is offered then it should be with an understanding of Why, and the consequences if. *nods*

galah{RA}~~~ right now, what GS needs most, is bums in seats as Master Robert stated....if some of those is old time goreans that have been forced to go elsewhere, then so be it, in with the old heheheheheheee heheheheee

Paedur~~~ I would also say that is O/one is offered Amnesty, that ther should be some public display of acceptance and understanding. *S*
or on the boards. and that display kept for a while. *S*

galah{RA}~~~ would be wonderful to see good stuff on the boards, a show of them that would come back, even if it was just for visits

Kayla~~~ yes it would galah *ss*

Rollo the Ax~~~ Hey folks, this is only an abstract idea at this point.... no VOTE or anything yet.... it might work, it might not...it might get voted on, maybe not... But IF any idea like this was tried, it would HAVE TO BE done with an open mind and heart... your not asking somebody back just so y'all can kick them in the guts AGAIN !!!! If these folks were not given a REAL chance to show that they have learned from their mistakes, we would be VERY WRONG to even offer them the chance.... It would have to be a REAL... " forgive AND forget " deal...

Phen~~~ galah I would love to be online more often though with family commitments not to mention time differences it does get very hard...I love this place and the people who are the bricks and mortar so to speak. However on the otherhand I feel guilty as well for not being around and doing what I state*S*

galah{RA}~~~ **claps again softly to her Masters wise words**

shirin{SholGar}~~~ shirin totally agrees, Master Rollo ~smiles and nods~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well folks, it is that time.... Thanks for coming to the forum, and voicing your opinions and ideas... same time next week... Okay ???

Paedur~~~ Aye Rollo, I agree but only if it is done both ways. *S*
I don't expect to forgive and forget, if it is not appreciated, and respected. *S*
But as long as it was, then bring out Your Dead. Bong !!!!!! LOL

Laroona~~~ thanks for the forum

shirin{SholGar}~~~ aye Master Rollo, thank You for a great forum and lots of things to think about ~smiles~

Lemuel~~~ ~grins~ Thank You Captain for a geat forum.

penny{Kyo}~~~ Thank you, Master Rollo, for your time and for the ideas and input from you and your slave! *smiles*

jasma{LB}GSFG~~~ *placing the writing implement down, eyes lift to her Owner, knowing that He helped scribe this night due to her connection.. whispering to Him~
thank You, Master for helping..
one thanks You, Master Rollo for a wonderful forum.. and you galah for all the imput.. ~smiling~