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How can we make the next festival better Slaves do they have honor? Continuing to learn and grow/the books

How can we make the next festival better

Kayla~~~ Well Folks It is about that time again *S* ... So first on the agenda... Feastival... comments ways to make it better???

Asellus~~~ Less confusion, more clarification, more participants. *smiling*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Mistress Kayla.. softly~
perhaps next time the time frame could be extended from like a Wednesday through Sunday instead..???

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ Next time I'll give more time and make the questions easier for trivia.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~nodding as she listens to Mistress Asellus~..
aye Mistress..

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~looking to Master as He speaks.. then lowering eyes.. ~

Kayla~~~ AMen Lemuel.... I had planned on entering but felt I would show too much ignorance and vuloed out ~shruggs~ Harry Potter?

Lemuel~~~ ~laughs~ Well I had to have one stumper. The name *Hermione* (one of the major characters in the Harry Potter series) is used in Guardsman as the name of a ship.

Kayla~~~ Well all areas except the sparring and the Meat toss was very low on attendence... what ways can We build attendence?

Kayla~~~ ~stroking the golden ones hair as I think... Well if You say so Lemuel ~laughing softly~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ with a longer time frame itself.. jaz feels that like with the sparring event.. if the initial matches had began earlier in the day.. then more could had been done on that day.. and then there could had been another day.. during festival time itself.. for matches between winners.. etc till one winner was determined..

Asellus~~~ I think planning the times better would be a great way to boost attendance. For instance, it's silly to expect those that live anywhere other than the US to participate in the sparring and other events. The events should have been spread out better and made more accomodating for all others.

Lemuel~~~ ~scratching My head~ We could advertise more I guess...

jasma{GS~FG}~~~~ ~listening to Master Lemuel.. and Mistress Asellus~

Asellus~~~ In turn, with the large turnout Saturday night, I don't think many were able and truthfully willing to get up again and sit through more hours of activities the following Sunday because the sparring was held overtime.

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling~ and on weekends for the most part later is better for Me

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ It was unfortunate that there was a major TV special on Sunday. I think that drew M/many away.

Gornt~~~ I was here

Asellus~~~ *Nodding at Lemuel* I thought of that, Myself.

Gornt~~~ well it was around 8:45 Tavern time

Kayla~~~ ~nodding at the suggestions with a smile~

Gornt~~~ what the Oscars?

Asellus~~~ And did You feel it fair that most of the activities had to decease because of the time difference, Gornt? *Not quite sure where you are from, though*

lara{HoS}~~~ she leans into her Mistress, as she feels her touch, she listens to All as she missed the festival...

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Gornt~ And I as well. In fact, I was here *because* My normal shows weren't on. ~chuckles~

Kayla~~~ Duley noted... It went rather well though... I have only heard good things... and I am most proud to call GS My Home *S*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to the conversation.. being quiet~

Kayla~~~ Well just a note Shadowglade would like to see a conclusion to the sparringit would take 3 more matches and He thought maybe between the particiapants that mutual times could be found this week?

Gornt~~~ Ienjoyed what I saw
I was disappointed no one but Lem, jaz and I showed up last night

Asellus~~~ Seems that those that were hyped up about having a Festival did not attend....and I wish we could do something to change the seeming growth of apathy in the tavern. Maybe I just talk to different people, though. *shrugs, unsure*

Kayla~~~ No Asellus go there for a moment... Most of the ones that expressed interest were there when I was *S*...so elaborate please *ss*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Kayla~ I am on vacation this week so My time is more flexible. Have Shadowglade let Me know when and I'll do My best to be there.

Gornt~~~ yea where was jaci?

Kayla~~~ He has You paired with Durst so maybe finding a time that suits you both?

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Gornt~ Aye, and I would have been in earlier Sunday as well if it hadn't been for an unexpected r/t matter.

Kayla~~~ jacia was here Firday night and came in for awhile on Saturday.. the rest of the time I am not sure

Gornt~~~ ~laughing~ You were here when I got here I think

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye, probably sometime late evening then?
~looking to Asellus~ Lady, do You know if that is better for Ceredigawn?

Asellus~~~ What good would it do to name names now, Kayla? That is not the issue. I just believe that more Goreans should practice what they preach.

Asellus~~~ Ceredigawn has RT duties to attend to, but if You wish to know, Lemuel, it is best that You email Him and He will definitely respond ASAP. *nodding knowingly* He was eager to spar again, that I know.

Kayla~~~ I don't mean names Dear... I was speaking of words that others may hear that might help improve things... Nay please no names... last time We did that I caught attitude for weeks *S*

Gornt~~~ I surprised My self by being able to be ere Friday nad Saturday nights, it is most unusual

Emerald Forest~~~ *I Myself wish I could be here for the festival and everything else Asellus,but it seems that when most of the things are on,I am either at work or asleep S*

Kayla~~~ ~laughing at Her words~ I thought I saw that gleam in His eyes Lady *S*

Asellus~~~ It is hard to pinpoint, Kayla, but the general atmosphere has changed here. Have You not noticed?

Kayla~~~ Nay... To tell You the truth as an Advisor I come in and usually get waylaid before I get in the door good

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to words spoken in the room.. snuggling against Master Lemuel.. ~

Asellus~~~ What would You get waylaid for, Kayla?

Gornt~~~ waylaid, probably isn't as much fun as other kinds

Kayla~~~ One problem or another from what should I do about so and so or I want to know how to go about doing this??? or Heal Me.. or I dunno know... everything *S*... I also help with the Sunday Forums and the FW Forums so Admin wise I have a pretty full plate and am Mentoring 2 FW at the Moment

Kayla~~~ LOL... Gornt... I could think of better things to do but I wouldn't do it unless I loved it so much

Gornt~~~ and One does a fine job, I think I would be more of the Authoritarian bent

Asellus~~~ Perhaps the Physician is taking on a bit too much. You know, I Myself could assist You at least with the mentorship of Another Free Woman. I am not completely new at this, Lady. *s* And why is it that You do not let the Other Advisors help out? You are a team as a Council.

Kayla~~~ Well Gornt that work well for a Man but as a FW even an Advisor has boundries *S*

Kayla~~~ When the Captains and Other Advisors are here...they are set upon just as I *S* I do not hold the load alone (thank the PK's)... There are times when it gets to be too much and I ask for help... thank goodness My closest help is but an armslength away *S*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at Asellus' words~ Aye Lady Kayla, some things could be delegated to patrons. We are supposed to follow the directions of the Council as part of Our pledge...

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to the talk between the Free.. shifting on heels slightly~


Slaves do they have honor?

Kayla~~~ Well that is enough about the woes of an Advisor *S*...
Any body have a topic?

Mandi~~~ We had a carryver topic: Do slaves have honor?

Gornt~~~ thanks Mandi

Kayla~~~ LOL... Well done Mandi... Well do they?

Asellus~~~ *smiling behind Her veils*

Gornt~~~ I was hoping to debate this topic

Gornt~~~ yes, some of them

Kayla~~~ This is one of My favorite debates and I can do either side ~grinning~...

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling at the new topic~ Aye, slaves may act honorably. All that they do reflects back upon their owner.

Mandi~~~ Kayla, I believe they do.

Kayla~~~ So a slave holds Your honor in their hands Lemuel? ~grinning~

Errand Knight~~~ interested to learn about this issue from My more experienced G/goreans

Gornt~~~ I am of the opinion that slaves are similar to Free in that respect, some have honor and some don't
Mine does, but regretfully I invited a girl to the GS that does not appear to have any

Errand Knight~~~ I am sorry to hear that Gornt

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~softly offering~..
from the dictionary at www.dictionary.com
hon∑or Pronunciation Key (nr)
High respect, as that shown for special merit; esteem: the honor shown to a Nobel laureate.
Good name; reputation.
A source or cause of credit: was an honor to the profession.
Glory or recognition; distinction.
A mark, token, or gesture of respect or distinction: the place of honor at the table.
A military decoration.
A title conferred for achievement.
High rank.
The dignity accorded to position: awed by the honor of his office.
Great privilege: I have the honor to present the governor.
Honor Used with His, Her, or Your as a title and form of address for certain officials, such as judges and mayors: Her Honor the Mayor.
Principled uprightness of character; personal integrity.
A code of integrity, dignity, and pride, chiefly among men, that was maintained in some societies, as in feudal Europe, by force of arms.
A woman's chastity or reputation for chastity.
honors Social courtesies offered to guests: did the honors at tea.
Special recognition for unusual academic achievement: graduated with honors.
A program of individual advanced study for exceptional students: planned to take honors in history.
Sports. The right of being first at the tee in golf.
Any of the four or five highest cards, especially the ace, king, queen, jack, and ten of the trump suit, in card games such as bridge or whist.
The points allotted to these cards. Often used in the plural.
tr.v. hon∑ored, hon∑or∑ing, hon∑ors
To hold in respect; esteem.
To show respect for.
To bow to (another dancer) in square dancing: Honor your partner.
To confer distinction on: He has honored us with his presence.
To accept or pay as valid: honor a check; a store that honors all credit cards.
honor bound
Under an obligation enforced by the personal integrity of the one obliged: I was honor bound to admit that she had done the work.

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling~ Not entirely, but if My slave misbehaves it would make Me look like a Master that couldn't control His slave. Similarly, if she behaves with perfect deference and is always pleasing, that would show Me to be a strict Master.

lara{HoS}~~~ she thinks for a moment, she has been told she honors her Owners..does that mean she has honor?

Gornt~~~ so was I EK, but I learned
I think Lemuel it goes beyond that
there is a person at the other end of the keyboard and they bring their character to the Tavern

Lemuel~~~ ~nods~ Aye Gornt, for v/t Gor that aspect is even more evident.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~looking to Master Lemuel as He speaks.. dark gems sparkle from His words.. she smiles softly and offers~
jaz was told once.. way back when she was still basically new to Gor. that since honor is something possessed and a slave owns nothing.. that it meant she didn't have honor..

Kayla~~~ but do slaves have anything?... they own nothing not even thier name so how do they have honor?...

Mandi~~~ jaz, I had thought of it in the ownership sense, and a slave does not even own her name, yet she retains her personality, her education, and her honor.

Gornt~~~ honor is intrinsic to one's character jaz, either you have or you do not, but for a slave it is the only thing that can possess, and for Free it is Their most important possession.

Lemuel~~~ ~shaking head~ I do not think Honor can be owned. That would imply it could be bought and it can't be, though it can be earned.

Mandi~~~ at least in terms of Gor, is it not honorable for a slave to be true to the fire within her?

Gornt~~~ ~smiling as Mandi hits on the key to the slaves reason for being~

Errand Knight~~~ My contibution is more of a question ..I know a slave can act honourably or fail ...and therefore honour or fail to honour her master thru her actions or omissions ..but does she have honour ...does gor allow one whose existance is to serve and who might be no more than a Masters meat honour?

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Mandi~ Being Honest is a part of being Honorable IMO, though it doesn't fully encompass it.

Kayla~~~ How can a slave be anything but what they are?... it is like the ugly duckling... No matter how much He quacked he was still not a duck

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to the opinions offered~..
aye Master Gornt.. but the slave herself is a possession.. an animal.. so does Your dog have honor?

Lemuel~~~ I like to think of Honor as a Friend, if O/one acts in a manner that is honorable, Honor will attend to Y/you. If O/one does not act honorably then it won't.

Dak~~~ I personally don't think anyone can set the standards of anothers Honor !

Mandi~~~ Whether or not it is recognized by others, one can have honor.

Kayla~~~ if I train My dog scruffy to stay off the furniture and she does ....does she have honor for obeying?... Or does she know I will beat her for getting up there?

Gornt~~~ calia honors My kolar, she homors ME personally with her devotion and her fire, she therefore acts honorably so she must have honor

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling at jasma's comparison~
Ah, but the dog is not capable of rational thought or action - a slave is.

Gornt~~~ remember the Priest Kings and Their lower forms

Errand Knight~~~ chuckles at Kayla's comment picturing the quacking slaves

Gornt~~~ humans were thought not to be rational as a whole

Asellus~~~ What is rational for a dog, maybe...

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at Kayla~ But what if the dog were to sneak up on the couch when it knew You wouldn't see? As sopposed to the dog that would never enter upon the couch regardless?

lara{HoS}~~~ not sure if this sounds right, or if a girls brain is swimmin at being in a nice warm lap...giggles..
can a slave have honor, since she is owned, it the honor would still belong to Them..
maybe lara is crazy...it sounds good in her head..

Errand Knight~~~ I personally think My slave has honour, though I wonder whether gor intended her to be allowed that attribute ..like so many contradictions here

Dak~~~ I would be hard pressed, to believe a dog has no rational thought, I have one with an evil Mind, and that takes reational thought !

Gornt~~~ ~laughing~
We had a dog like that, only got on the couch when we were gone, could see him when we backed out of the garage

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ Aye, perhaps You are right Dak.

Kayla~~~ LOL... See what I mean?... that a slave obeys means the slave is not stupid or cares but honor?...

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ The point is that there are some slaves that will lie and cheat and steal if they think they can get away with it, while there are others that would not simply because it is wrong. Is that honorable?

Gornt~~~ or both

Kayla~~~ Ok But Dak the books tell Us that slaves are as livestock... does a cow or bosk have honor?

Dak~~~ in animals, they observe a pecking order, so they must have some kind of honor !

Lemuel~~~ ~shaking head~ That is legally speaking, Lady Advisor. Regardless of the legal technicality they are still human beings. And some human beings are capable of honor while others seem not to be.

Errand Knight~~~ Lemuel: that is very true Friend ...and even if their behaviour is good and honourable does it confer honour on them and make them honourable?

Gornt~~~ but how many did Tarl Cabot free? did HE do do it because they had no honor? I don't think so
look at Vika of Treve, He hated her, but She showed she had honor

Mandi~~~ ::chuckling:: Are the slaves allowed to speak on this subject during Forum?

Kayla~~~ Well before anyOne gets the wrong idea I also feel that slaves have honor. because they can choose even on Gor they can choose death over life.... but there are many hard Core Goreans who laugh at the notion... both slave and Free

Lemuel~~~ ~shrugs at EK~ Who can say? What I see as Honor You may not and vice versa. ~G~

fequia{Dak}~~~ her Master wishes her to speak
fequia feels a slave obeys from two emotions..the first is fear..fear of the wrath of her Owner..the second is love..as she learns to love her ko'lar..she does not wish to displease her Owner..for the displeasure would hurt worse than the whip....honor is something that one obeys from the heart..nothing can separate the slave from her Owner

Errand Knight~~~ Dak: as We have Our castes ..though I doubt that confers honour ....Im sure that most members of My caste have doubts about the honour of Initiates

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ ~listens to the conversation~

fequia{Dak}~~~ slave can not have honor...for that would separate her from her Master..

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling~
Aye in both RT and VT

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at EK's words~ Aye, for a Warrior to decline a challenge would be dishonorable, but it is not dishonorable for other Castes to do so.

Dak~~~ from what I've read , all castes have their codes of honor, which can be quite different from others !

Gornt~~~ yes look at the Merchants

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ this one doesn't think slaves have honor. true the people behind the screen may have honor but the charactor of a slave doesn't. how can a slave have honor on gor when they are nothing more than livestock.

Errand Knight~~~ Lemuel: indeed ...can you imagine this Physician entering the sparring? would need more than a double dose of stabilization serum

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ Even if honor is not recognized by others it can still be there, sevda.

Gornt~~~ would need teflon so as not to get stuck

Kayla~~~ I have seen too many slaves act without a care of anyone else.... They must have the ability for some type of honor...maybe it is not the same as a Warrior but honor just the same

Mandi~~~ ~~agrees with Lemuel~~
And, despite the legal implications of slavery, the slave still has the capacity for thought and for honor in a way that livestock doesn't.

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ perhaps Master Lemuel, but one still feels slaves have no honor.. while We are on the subject of honor.. this one finds it very humorous when Someone tells her she brings her Master honor.. she may bring Him pleasure or displeasure, but she does not think she ever brings Him honor. only He can bring that to Himself.

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Kayla~ Aye, there are some that seem to be capable of dishonor at least. ~G~

Gornt~~~ as a parent sevda aren't you proud when your kids teacher praise them, they brought you honor

Mandi~~~ sevda, the quality of one's service to Others DOES bring a slave's Master honor. That does not substitute for His personal honor.

faaria{Dak}~~~ may faaria be allowed to speak here ?

Errand Knight~~~ *smiles to sevda*
One had a slave once, talender, she brought Him more honour than He was capable of bringing Himself
that learning was important to Him

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ Perhaps sevda, but how you act does reflect on your Master, good or bad, rightly or wrongly.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~catching up finally on the notes as she had to afk earlier.. she looks around.. then looks up to Master Lemuel before lowering eyes once more..~

Dak~~~ but when a girl does things that others appreciate, she does bring her Master Honor !

Emerald Forest~~~ *I move lara around a bit as I listen to the discussion*to Me if a slave does not even own her name,how can she have honour as this a just another part of a person,that has no name if her Master makes it so*

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ Master Gornt of course one is proud but they brought themselves honor not this one.

Dak~~~ of course if it's respectful faaria !

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ ~smiles at Master Errand~
yes Master of course You are always right

Gornt~~~ then stretch that thought to
If you were a Mistress and your kajira did something that made you proud, would not that deed bring them honor?

Lemuel~~~ ~looking to EF~ As I said before, honor can't be owned anyway, at least not the way I see it.

faaria{Dak}~~~ Thank You Master
faaria has read the books and slaves are lower then a animal, a animal has no honor, the only Honor that a slave has is how she is pleasing to Others, the One that has the Honor is the Master that owns the girl,for the slave owns nothing

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ Master Lemuel true so the slave might make the Master proud or even cause Him to be ashamed of her but truly she is just a slave and her actions should have no bearing of any kind on His honor.
Master Gornt no, because one's children are free people on earth not an owned object on gor. big difference between the 2.

Dak~~~ *grins*, this seems to be the proverbial endless debate

faaria{Dak}~~~ Honor is important to Goreans, in a way that those of Earth might find it hard to understand; for example, those of Earth find it natural that men should go to war over matters of gold and riches, but not honor; the Gorean, contrariwise, is more willing to submit matters of honor to the adjudication of steel than he is matters of riches and gold; there is a simple explanation for this; honor is more important to him."
Page 42 - Beasts of Gor

Asellus~~~ sevda, I am greatly appreciating your insight on this, just so you know. *nodding, listening to the liveliness of the discussion.*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ was it ever spoken of in the books of the slaves having honor?

Lemuel~~~ ~nods~ Not as He sees His Honor, but it may well affect the way others see it. That is perhaps an important distinction, public honor versus personal honor.

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ one is glad Mistress Asellus ~soft smile~
Master Lemuel what gorean truly cares what Others may think of Him? Goreans are not like Men of earth who get caught up in such things.

faaria{Dak}~~~ no not in the books, a slave has nothing

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ jasma this doesn't remember ever reading of slaves having honor, but she hasn't read all 25 books.

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ There is much tuth in that point, but Goreans still have reputations and there are instances in the books where a Man sells His slave because Others think He has grown fond of her.

faaria{Dak}~~~ Master Lemuel, in the books there was Masters that kept one because He loved the girl, she was called a love slave, it just didn't happen very often.

Errand Knight~~~ *looks at shiri*
looks like you're up for sale girl

Dak~~~ true, but also some went and bought a slave back, and paid an atrocious price for, too !

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye Dak and perhaps there is a lesson in that. One shouldn't regard the thoughts of Others overly much or He may regret it. ~G~

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ ~nods softly at Master Lemuel words~ true but usually in the end the Master found the slave and took her back.

Kayla~~~ Well as I said last week this a a really great one to debate and over the years I have been here this is what I have come away with.. Each one has to make that decision by their own definition of the word honor... If that definition includes allowing a slave to have honor then they can if not then nothing anyone says will change the mind *S*

Dak~~~ so it seems, be true to one's self, even if Gorean !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ The slave Susan speaking to the Tatrix:
"It is a great honor for me," said the girl, "to serve the Tatrix of Corcyrus."
Kajira of Gor, page 66

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the Lady Healer's wise words~

Dak~~~ that is about the gist of it , Advisor !

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ something being an honor is not the same as having honor, nice quote by the way jas.

Lemuel~~~ "The sale is over," I said. "I know that I am now a sold slave. That is behind me. I have been summoned into the presence of my master. In this he has honored me, for he has many girls." Dancer of Gor p.144

Dak~~~ very good Lem !!

jacia{GS}~~~ ~agrees with sevvie~

faaria{Dak}~~~ faaria has a question why is when a slave serves a Free , she is told she brings Honor to her Master? why doesn't a free ever say, she serves with honor???

Lemuel~~~ "I have six tarsk bits with me," he said. "I will give you three."
I recalled my training. I recalled, too, in my training, how one of my masterís men had shoved the point of a dagger to a quarter of an inch into my belly, below the navel, and informed me how he could spill my guts into his hand.
"One would be more than enough," I said. "Honor could not permit me taking more."
Dancer of Gor p.293

Kayla~~~ good posts *S*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ "I dare not!" I said. The thought of sitting in such a chair terrified me. It was the chair of a free person. I was a slave. I might be whipped, or slain, for sitting in such a chair. The greatest honor I might expect in connection with such a chair was to be permitted to crouch or lie at its foot, or, perhaps, to be chained by the neck to its side.
Kajira of Gor, page 334

jacia{GS}~~~ faaria jaci has been a slave in other places before the Shores and some Free do say you bring your Master honor...

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ another nice quote Master Lemuel but again bringing her honor does not mean she has honor of her own.

Kayla~~~ ~nodding at the golden one with a warm smile as I listen to the words~

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckles~ As with many fervently debated topics, I doubt that I could change your mind no matter how much I argued, sev.

Dak~~~ jacia, reread what faaria wrote !

Kayla~~~ LOL... I want all those posts... ~winking at jacia~

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ true Master Lemuel ~giggling softly~

jacia{GS}~~~ please forgive one Master Dak..jaci hasn't been feeling all too well in RT this day so her eyes are a lil buggy :(

Lemuel~~~ ~grins~ Here's one for your side sev.
"I had no honor to protect, no pride to uphold, for I was slave." Slave Girl of Gor p.???

(jaz found the page number.. it is page.. 90)

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci has her "Captive" book at work but she re-reads bits and parts of it when she can
she seems to remember something said within its pages about when Elinor was sent to the house of Bosk in Port Kar...she brought certain words to mind spoken to her from the mouth of Rask of Treve
He said, "I am Rask of Treve, do not stain My Honor"

Dak~~~ is ok jacia, it is easy to misread something !

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ ~smiles at the Master~

faaria{Dak}~~~ the only Honor that a slave would have if any would be that of what her Master/Mistress allows her to have

Asellus~~~ *waiting to see if there is more*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ He regarded them. Then he said to me, "I am of Treve. Do not stain my honor."
Captive of Gor, page 357

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ ~listens to the Mistress's words~

Dak~~~ aye, that was when she was brought brought before Him , when He wasa in chains and beaten up !

jacia{GS}~~~ thanx jas :)


Continuing to learn and grow/the books

Kayla~~~ Well since We have bounced that topic around to death I want to leave you all with a few thoughts to come back with next week

Kayla~~~ Last night in the Sunday Forum We were discussiong Free and training and raising the bar so to speak to get free that enter both old and new to continue to learn and grow in their Gorean life *S*

Lemuel~~~ ~looking to the Lady Advisor~ Aye, sounds like a good idea.

Asellus~~~ "Gorean life"---do you mean in r/t, Kayla?

Kayla~~~ There were suggestions to accomplish this and among them contest to make learning fun such as the Trivia thing we did at the festival... and a ranking system... where all that enter are ranked amoung their chosen Caste and earn more stripes as they learn more of the caste and Gor in General

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ Aye, I can see that. It would serve to discourage Those not really interested.

Kayla~~~ this is all VT Asellus.. *S*... Just something to think about and maybe We will have time to delve deep into it next week *S*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~whispering~.. welcome jac..
~listening to Mistress Kayla~

Gornt~~~ interesting

Asellus~~~ I see. *Nodding*

Gornt~~~ I need more books then

Kayla~~~ This is only a fishing mission and mostly for My own knowldge but I have some thoughts and would love to hear others of My Home *S* so think about it but pros and cons... there are many of both... and I will call the Forum to an end this night till next week

Gornt~~~ Thank You Kayla, another fine job

sevda{SabreWolf}~~~ was a wonderful forum ~soft smile~

Kayla~~~ I wish You all well and thank You so much for being here and participating *S*

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ thank You, Mistress Kayla..
perhaps we could also discuss next week about holding another discussion in which one of the books itself was discussed.. like when Master Sarakai did Priest Kings of Gor..

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding thinking there are indeed many pros and cons~
Aye Lady, I will jot down a few thoughts for next week then.

Kayla~~~ Thank You Gornt, sev *ss*...

jacia{GS}~~~ thank you Mistress for a good Forum what lil jaci got of it :)

Lemuel~~~ ~S~ A wonderful and interesting forum, My thanks Kayla.

Kayla~~~ ohhhh Great idea jasma... hey guys don't duck out when We will be looking for volunteers next week... *S*

Dak}~~~ was agreat discussion,many thoughts Advisor, thanks for bringing it up !!

Gornt~~~ good that would help because of the scarcity of the books jaz

faaria{Dak}~~~ Thank You for allowing faaria to speak during the forum, it was very interesting, she was glad she came, Mistress Kayla

Mandi~~~ **rises to leave**
Thank You, Lady for moderating a good Forum night. I wish all well.

Dak~~~ since I've been reading, I enjoy discussing Gor !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ a girl wishes You well, Mistress Kayla
~nodding~.. aye Master Gornt.. the girl enjoyed the one book discussion muchly