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Uncollared slaves, their place

Uncollared slaves their place

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well...enough of this... Is everyone ready for the forum ???????

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~taking hold of the rence paper and writing implement that had fallen to the furs.. scooting closer to Master Lemuel.. settling on heels.. she readies herself to scribe the notes~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Then let us begin.... welcome all to this weeks GS forum.... same rules as always... Does anybody have a topic they wish discussed ??????

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening for a topic~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Then by all means, Gornt, bring it up for us all to see and discuss....

Kayla~~~ ~Listening for the topic quietly~

Gornt~~~ when a slave enters GS for the first time and is not kolared, what are the rules of engagement so to speak?

SholGar~~~ Good questions Gornt...What if one is simply "checking out" the Tavern as a possible new home? should she be collared instantly or have some freedom to look around? seems to Me it could scare off good sluts.

Gornt~~~ the rules say she can forced to kolar but only if she agrees to it.

SholGar~~~ ~looks around approvingly and admires the fine kajira flesh decorating the Tavern~

Gornt~~~ can she be taken to an alcove?

Kayla~~~ It scares some and hooks others I have seen... It is always good to get a feel of what the girl is looking for.. some will enter as slaves and do not even know they have done so... I love it when thralls do so ~grinning~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Gornt~ It is My understanding that these slaves are *free game* so to speak, but that she must voluntarily submit. And any such collaring should be c&p.

Gornt 19:27:52 CST

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling~ haven't seem many of them here

Kayla~~~ depends on what the girl wants... LOL a romp in the alcoves may be what she is looking for... I suggest slow moving and being sure what a person wants... it is best for them to go to a Tavern kolar until they can get the "lay of the land" so to speak...

Gornt~~~ all right so no raping the tourists? ~chuckling~
and if a girl wants only a GS kolar to observe and learn and be protected, how does she get that?

Lemuel~~~ ~chuckling at the Lady's words~ Aye Lady. There is one that entered last forum that has expressed an interest in learning more, but wishes to remain free. I advised her to find a protector and to alter her name, at least for this room.

Kayla~~~ Last week We had several unkolared.. lead to Ruilan's remark... but to slap kolars on everything that moves is a waste of time and steel...

Dak~~~ My observaton , here, has been to welcome all, and if new, send them to the gold bar at the bottom of the page to read the protocols of the tavern

Rollo the Ax~~~ Okay, good point, and good question..... GS is technically a Kill/Capture zone.... so in the strict sense of the word, ANY un-collared slave is fair game.......BUT !!!!! as has been pointed out, if EVERY slave that walks in is grabbed instantly and collared, soon none will come to visit, and also, in a general sense, the type of * Master * that will and does collar just EVERY slave, tends to not be the best kind of * Gorean *....

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to Dak~ Yes, I always advise they read the rules of the room, too.

SholGar~~~ Can One offer such protection without a kolar? what would her tag be if any?

Gornt~~~ I have done that as well Dak, but what are the protocols?

jasma{GS~FG}~softly~.. there's really no observation collar, so to speak, so if one takes a GS collar, it is jaz's understanding that the girl is then the property of the Tavern, not just protected by the Tavern.. but she belongs to the Tavern..

Gornt~~~ ~listening to Rollo~

Dak~~~ maybe one should check the Gold bar, *grins*

jacia{GS}~~~ ~listening quietly leaning soft peach cheek to Master Gornt's leg~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at Rollo's words~
I think the *public* collaring should be forceful, but the Master (or Mistress) should PM the slave to see what they are looking for first and only collar if the person understands and agrees.

Kayla~~~ Any Pledged Patron can kolar a girl for the Tavern though the Council is best equiped for this knowing the best questions to be sure of a slaves mind on this.... posting an action to the boards and to the Council and nudging them toward the first girl for training.... is the best way...

SholGar~~~ I have been to other sites where a temporary collar is given to signify a visitor that is just checking out the place. this is not an ownership kolar...just a free pass so to speak.

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling~ so far I am doing okay then

Lemuel~~~ ~looking to SholGar~ I told the one I am thinking of she would have to change her name to caps and enter in robes and veil to remain Free. If later she decides to become slave, she may do so, but if she enters as a slave - she will stay a slave.

Gornt~~~ now that is a different approach

Dak~~~ Gs, has a temp Kolar . that has P behind it signifying it was a patron given Kolar !

Gornt~~~ ~stroking jacia'scheek with My fingertips as I listen~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~voice showing the deepest respect.. ~
aye Master SholGar.. a girl knows of the rules of some other sites as well, yet GS has never done that, that she's aware of.. ~smiling softly.. ~

Kayla~~~ offering protection.... Hmmm that is a sticky one there... I think that explaining that GS will give a girl time to make up her mind to visit and learn and are most helpful but that when a girl comes in for months say and says no force kolarings or under protection of so and so... a few have learned that the Slave Master plays no such games and will kolar them for the Tavern rather quickly... I think it is all in the attitude

jacia{GS}~~~ ~purrrrrrrrrring softly at Master's Gornts touch...brushing soft hand against His hand smiling as she continues to listen~

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ aye Master Dak.. jaz's understanding of the P was only temp to when the slave could be collared by a Captain or Advisor fully.. ~confused look~

Gornt~~~ if they are truly interested in GOR and GS they will take the GS kolar, if all they want is a quick jump in an alcove then do We want sluts in here?

SholGar~~~ ~LOL~ Send those lil ones to Me Gornt!!! ~LOL~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Folks..... a Gorean collar is not a thing to be taken lightly, or to be just * thrown on * the neck of a girl that just walks in the door..... to do so belittles the whole idea, and also those that wear sch collars in the REAL sense .... If the new girl learns and still wants the collar, then FINE and DANDY... but to collar too soon or too quickly, often just makes the girl runaway, and then we ALL lose........

Kayla~~~ that is what it was jasma... it was only to keep a poacher away and since then We agreed to allow Patrons the right to kolar... so... there is not much use anymore for the { }p kolar I guess

Dak~~~ true jaz, but sometimes it can be sometime before they see a Captain or Advisor, and be questioned as to what they want to do, *grins*

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to the Advisor~ Aye, I told this one that it would be a good idea to have a protector if she chose to enter as a Free Woman. I told her that if she entered into a GS protection collar that she would have some time to learn, but that she would be expected to accept a collar at the end of that time. It is thirty days, isn't it?

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Dak~~~ that has been My experience, as well Captain !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~smiling warmly to Master Rollo's wise words.. then nodding head at Mistress Kayla~

SholGar~~~ Seems the Partrons then should be schooled in moderation and show discipline in knowing when and what to kolar.

jacia{GS}~~~ jaci remembers when she 1st came to the Tavern....it took her a looooooooooong time before she wanted a Tavern kolar..but she never asked or begged a Master for Thier personal kolar b/c she felt that one has to earn that...and the only way she thought to do that is by being a Tavern girl that way one can meet all the Free and find the One that will hold her heart with His firm Hand 4ever *S*

Kayla~~~ ~Nodding at Rollo's words~
No really though agreeing with Gornt... slaves can be HNG's as well and if that is all they are interested in do We want them in GS???? I for one know too many of Our GS girls who would love a good romp to give it to someone not really wanting to be of Gor...

Gornt~~~ I think that is what Gor is about Solgar, Honour and Discipline

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~nuzzling against Master Lemuel.. listening~

Dak~~~ if all they want is a "romp" no need to offer a kolar, just call them to you.

Rollo the Ax~~~ Once again, on-line is the same as Real life in many ways..... there has always been a difference between the * letter * of the law, and the * spirit * of the law..... so while it may well be * legal * to just slap a collar on ANY un-collared slave that wanders in.... is it right, just, or smart ?????? LOL...LOL... WHO KNOWS ???????

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling at jaci's thoughtful words and nodding agreement to the Advisor's~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~smiles at the wisdom of Master Rollo~

Gornt~~~ ~chuckling at Dak~ until the GS girls won't serve One anymore

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to the Captain~ As You said before, Rollo, if We rush them into a collar they don't want they won't return.

Kayla~~~ there is no set time Lemuel... the kolar is forever *S*... once in a GS kolar the girl would have to have approval from the Council to be sold to another.... which is well for many would jump quickly if not for the lag... We had a case not long ago where the girl changed her mind no less than 5 times wanting to be sold... seems that It really didn't matter where just wanted to be personally owned... the delay of the Council most likely saved the girl some heart ache and us another like the girl annie

zoya{GS}~~~ ~*~smiles as she listens to all~*~

jasma{GS~FG}~listening to Mistress Kayla~
aye Mistress Kayla.. inside it hurts a girl to see one not of Gor but only using Gor for a sexual fulfillment.. even if this one realizes that Gor is much more than seeing how many times she can be furred.. it still leaves self-doubt inside one wondering where she's went wrong to not be found pleasing in such a way.

SholGar~~~ nods to Gornt...seems that the problem may reside within the Tavern rather than with the entrance of uncollared slaves. Seems to Me that a slave should show her worth before getting a collar..forcing HNG's to work a little before getting to the alcoves or a kolar will dissuade them perhaps and make them move on to other sites.

jacia{GS}~~~ ~smiles warmly to Master Lemuel~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding~ I meant the protection period before she could be sold to another, etc. I did tell the girl that if she continued to enter with her name in lower case she would be subject to the collar.

Dak~~~ *grins*, that does take some learning, as I've found out, Sholgar!

Gornt~~~ ~nodding in agreement with Sholgar~

Kayla~~~ Agreed Sholgar... We love Our Home and World and just anyone should not come in and "take" what is Ours but it is offered willingly to those who show a heartfelt intrest for ALL that Gor has to offer *S*

jacia{GS}~~~ ~agrees with Master Sholgar~

Lemuel~~~ ~listening as I finish My wine~

zoya{GS}~~~ zoya can appreciate the time it takes the Council when selling a girl, zoya once changed her mind during that waiting time and it may have saved her life, for the slave that Master soon ko~lared left for another land and was not the kindest of Masters to the girl and she was extremely unhappy....zoya thanks her Masters for knowing what is best for a girl

SholGar~~~ A true slave will work to please and the more tests she passes the better. I propose that a HNG will grow frustrated and move on. This is desireable and will serve as a filter which will leave GS with quality kajira. A kolar is not needed to test or validate a slave. There are other ways to test her resolve and devotion.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~nodding head in agreement to the words spoken by Master SholGar~..

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding agreement with SholGar~ The collar is not necessary for a girl to show her worth, but it does provide her some protection from Those that would try to steal her away to another site.

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening to Master Lemuel's words.. ~

Kayla~~~ It does do that if she is willing Lemuel... that is the question to really find out what is in the girl...

Rollo the Ax~~~ And the same can be said about Masters, Dak..... If all the guy wants is some cyber sex, then why feel the need to collar the girl until she learns what it REALLY means ????? I often try telling ppl that * anything WORTH having, is worth waiting for...* and that is VERY true of a collar.... either wearing it, OR putting it on a girls neck... STOP !!!! and think things over before committing...

jacia{GS}~~~ ~smiles to the words and wisdom of Master Rollo~
kinda like the Heinz ketchup commercial Master "good things come to those who wait?" *grins*

SholGar~~~ Agreed Lemuel....I suppose then that the individual should show good judgement and better understand the implications and liabilities of kolaring everything and the benefit of testing and being patient. Seems it is now a personal decison for Each of Us.

na'ilah{Qz}~~~ ~ turning her attention to the topic at hand..~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding agreement with Advisor and the Captain~

Dak~~~ aye, very true, as I have learned !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~nibbling gently on lips as she listens to the words offered by Master Rollo.. looking up to Master Lemuel.. liquid pools sparkling.. a devotion within.. lowering them swiftly~

Kayla~~~ ~nodding at SholGar's words~

SholGar~~~ ~smiles at jacia thinking about Heinz on Gor~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~blushes as the handsome Master Sholgar smiles at her she returns His smile lovingly and blushes redder than her hair~

Gornt~~~ Aye Captain look at how long I waited for calia

Lemuel~~~ ~smiling down at the girl by My side, squeezing her shoulder~

Rollo the Ax~~~ It is really quite simple to keep those from other sites from * stealing * uncollared girls away from GS... If ANY Free person is in the tavern, and an un-collared slave enters.... just tell them that they are subject to capture, BUT while they are visiting and You are there, they are under YOUR protection.... THEN it is between Masters/Mistresses and NOT the slaves choice.... the girl is safe, so to speak, but NOT collared..... also, speak with the new girl and explain just how BIG a step it is top take a collar...tavern, OR private.....

SholGar~~~ Aye Rollo...It is up to Us to be wiser Patrons. Well said.

Gornt~~~ ~smiling as I think of the way I have handled the unkolared girls who have been coming in as of late~

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at the Captain's wise words~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~if jaci may say so please...she has seen some girls .. unkolared who just come in expecting to get a Master...jaci as she had stated earlier was unkolared and she came into the Tavern a lot b/c she was falling in love with the residents within and wanted to make doubly sure that that is what she wanted...but it saddens the slithery one to see that some girls who enter and just expect to get a Master w/out working for it truly makes this one sad b/c what does that say for the ones who are kolared to their Masters and the Tavern who do work hard and don't expect anything in return feel? * just a passing thought :)

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding at jaci's words~ There are some Masters that would like slave, too lil' one. But because of r/t factors are unable to buy or collar a girl of their own.

SholGar~~~ I tend to agree jacia...even if there is no Heinz on Gor. ~smiles~

Gornt~~~ ~laughing at Sholgar's words~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~listening intently to the words of the handsome Master Builder~ aye Master jaci knows this and RT often tends to be a Thorn in all of our sides at some point.. :(

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~eyes lift.. looking to Him as He speaks.. a rippling felt inside.. brushing back sable strands.. brushing lips softly against His side.. she settles back once more to scribe. ~

jacia{GS}~~~ ~blushing honored that Master Sholgar agrees with her words and blushing even more thinking ohh hell what has she started now *grinnning*

Lemuel~~~ ~smiles and winks at the slithery slave, then looks to the girl at My side~

calia{G}~~~ her ass squirming on Masters thighs ~* listening as she looks about.....~knowing smile to jacia...~*
.....muttering...and some collar over and over and over....*shaking her head softly*

jacia{GS}~~~ ~smiles and winx back at Master Lemuel~ :)

jacia{GS}~~~ ~agreeing ferverntly with calia smiling at her~

Rollo the Ax~~~ jacia... those new to Gor often have different veiws or ideas of how things do or should work.... and you will find that slave OR Free, that not everybody thinks or feels the same.... It is a sad comment on the way of the world these days that many ppl feel that they are * owed * anything they want, without having to earn it..... Just do what is right to * YOU * ( each of us needs to do the same ) and let others deal with their own needs/wants/ limits..... Okay ?????

jacia{GS}~~~ ~nodding affirmatively to the wisdom of her Owner Master Rollo and smiles to Him appreciatively for His invaluable guidance and wisdom~
Yes Master Rollo and Thank You Master jaci will do her best :)

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ ~listening as this topic winds down.. catching up with the scribe work~

Lemuel~~~ ~nuzzling the first girl's ear as she takes the notes~

Kayla~~~ ~waiting to see if there is another topic sitting back in My chair~

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well...If that covers the collaring issue, does anyone have another topic they wish brought up ????

Gornt~~~ ~smiling~ um I am now distracted Rollo, but I can listen

Rollo the Ax~~~ Well, folks.... I think that we have just about covered everything for today, so I will call this weeks forum to a close..... Thanks to all for taking part... I hope to see you all again next week....... Be Well, all.....

Gornt~~~ well that was a lively discussion

Kayla~~~ Good question Gornt ~smiling at Him~

jacia{GS}~~~ thank You Master Rollo for a wonderful forum!!

Lemuel~~~ ~nodding to the Captain~
My thanks for another informative evening, Rollo.

Dak~~~ thanks for a good forum , Captain, Winds be with You !

jasma{GS~FG}~~~ one thanks You Master Rollo once again for sharing Your knowledge to help a girl learn better..

zoya{GS}~~~ zoya thanks You Master Rollo for hosting the forums
~*~warm smiles turning to the dais~*~

Gornt~~~ Winds Rollo, an interesting Evening as usual

Rollo the Ax~~~ LOL...LOL... Remember, folks... all I do is kind of * ride herd * on these things, and throw in My own two tarsk bits worth ...LOL.. it is EVERYBODY taking part that makes these forums work..... LOL...

calia{G}~~~ slave speaks softly...*~
thank Master Rollo for hosting this informative night for us All to learn and further grow...~her eyes respectfully low*